Army Recruiting Best Since 1997

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  1. carpro

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    http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/storie...ME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2006-09-21-17-39-03

    Army Ends Best Recruit Year Since 1997

    By ROBERT BURNS
    AP Military Writer

    EXCERPT

    WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Army is ending its best recruiting year since 1997 and expecting similar success in 2007, despite the weight of grim war news from Iraq, Army Secretary Francis Harvey said Thursday.

    In an Associated Press interview, Harvey said the Army will enlist its 80,000th soldier on Friday, reaching its goal for the year with eight days to spare. That is a considerable turnaround from last year when the Army missed its target for the first time since 1999 and by the widest margin in more than two decades.
     
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    Go Army!

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    Imagine that. Americans who think freedom and fighting terrorism is worht fighting for.:thumbs:
     
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    They must be toooooo busy fighting for freedom to post on the board . . .

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    20% of the recruites have waivers because they are sub (even Army) standard.
     
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    And they raised the enlistment age to something like 46 years old.
     
  7. Revmitchell

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    The Military has a history of waivers. A waiver doesnt mean sub standard. Waivers are given after certain criterian are met.

    And you want to belittle the sacrifice of Americans. Doesnt amtter though. They are still Americans who have given of their lives. They are honerable, heros. Unlike those who sit back and belittle them.
     
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    True. It happens whenever they can't get people who match up to the standards.

    Uh, yes, that's exactly what it means. You have to use a waiver when the applicant is substandard. If you want to argue that the standards are too high presently, I'll hear you out. But there's no point in denying that they made up the quotas with substandard recruits.

    They are given after certain criteria are not met. When the criteria are met, no waiver is needed.

    BTW, I'd like to hear how our troops are "fighting for freedom", when they are supporting a government that has an established religion (Islam).

    Chapter 1, Article 2 of the Iraqi Constitution.
    Islam is the national religion and a basic foundation for the country's laws

    We're fighting for the establishment of Islam as the foundation of a country's laws.
     
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    Please tell me, if you die fighting for freedom and your not a Christian, where do you spend eternity?

    David
     
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    No one was belittling the sacrifice. Since the OP is about recruiting being up, it's fair to point out some of the possible reasons for it - which are from the article itself.
     
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    Waivers are not substandard. Say it 100 times it still wont be true. There is a process that one has to go through to meet the approval of a waiver. they arent handed out willy nilly. Maybe you should talk to a recruiter before commenting.
     
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    Waivers are required when prospective recruits do not meet the standards. Those recruits who are not substandard do not require waivers.

    What is true is that recruits who are substandard must have waivers.

    So there's a procedure for waivering substandard recruits. Your point is...?

    Looks like the Army Inspector Gemeral has been doing that...

    According to a new government report, allegations of wrongdoing by military recruiters rose from 4,400 cases in 2004 to 6,600 cases in 2005 -- and numbers are likely worse than reported. Violations range from falsifying documents to telling a recruit not to reveal a legal or medical problem that could bar enlistment. The rise in recruiter problems could reflect pressure to meet wartime recruiting goals.
    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5652673&ft=1&f=1001


    Under Air National Guard rules, the dealer had committed a "major offense" that would bar him from military service. Air National Guard recruits, like other members of the military, cannot have drug convictions on their record. But on Feb. 2, 2005, the applicant who had been arrested in the mini-mall was admitted into the Delaware Air National Guard. How? Through the use of a little-known, but increasingly important, escape clause known as a waiver. Waivers, which are generally approved at the Pentagon, allow recruiters to sign up men and women who otherwise would be ineligible for service because of legal convictions, medical problems or other reasons preventing them from meeting minimum standards.
    The story of that unnamed Air National Guard recruit (whose name is blacked out in his statement) is based on documents obtained by Salon under the Freedom of Information Act.
    http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2006/02/02/waivers/

    The Gangster Disciples are the most worrisome street gang at Fort Lewis because they are the most organized, Barfield said.

    Barfield said gangs are encouraging their members to join the military to learn urban warfare techniques they can teach when they go back to their neighborhoods.
    "Gang members are telling us in the interviews that their gang is putting them in," he said. Joe Sparks, a retired Chicago Police gang specialist and the Midwest adviser to the International Latino Gang Investigators Association, said he is concerned about the military know-how that gang-affiliated soldiers might bring back to the streets here.
    http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-gangs01.html
     
  13. LeBuick

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    But first there is a standard they have to fall short on in order to need a waiver. Galation is correct, if you meet the standard you won't need a waiver.
     
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    There is HOPE FOR YOU!?


    IS THERE hope for you!?

    Sure! Get finger printed and DNA'd . . . I think you and Sparks both need waivers . . .
     
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    Ur, no, I didn't need a waiver. They were all too happy to have me. Unlike the increasing percentage of recruits today, I met the standard.
     
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    I had to waiver when I joined the military.

    My Mom and Girlfriend dropped me off at the airport and as the plane backed away from the terminal I had to waiver goodbye. :BangHead:
     
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    You have to meet standards to get a waiver. So, is that meeting standards or is it sub-standard? An example would be that if the military is requiring a college degree, and you don't have one, but you blow the top off the entrance test in such a way that you will far outshine those who do have degrees. You have fallen short of one standard, but met another one that exempts you from the first one.
     
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    ..........
     
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    Waivers exist for a number of reasons...some are age waivers, some people want to join but have dependents, some didnt score high enough on the asvab and will remediate, some needed a waiver for something that popped up on a security clearance (like an old debt that will take some time to research and clear up).

    A lot of reasons. That doesnt mean they wont cut it as soldiers.

    I see we are still being snippy on this website. I can practically hear you look down your nose at these people.

    My sister has a neighbor who joined the military after he and his family lost their home, workplaces, and church in Mississippi due to hurricane Katrina. He needed a waiver because he wanted to enlist in Florida, not Mississippi. More power to him.
     
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    You could tell mitchell a hundred times and still get duh!

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