As an American and a Believer....

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  1. righteousdude2

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    .... I found the short video quite interesting as well as inspiring. I just wonder what you think of this video, and its premise that this nation was founded and held to Christian principles since its birth?

    What say you [only after watching this brief, eye-opening video], but only after you watch the video. Your comments will give you away, should you comment without watching the video to its end! :smilewinkgrin:

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    Paul,

    You know if this video gets out to the ACLU and atheists groups they will call for the dismantling of all those monuments the video mentioned. We can't have anything religious in public now especially if it refers to Christianity.

    Have you ever heard of William Federer?
     
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    Being a God acknowledger does not make one a Christian and designing a walk based on cross shape then claiming it makes a cross has nothing to do with true Christianity.

    Surely, if this were a Christian nation there would be some mention of that in the Constitution, it's founding document.
     
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    Amen.

    Also having cross and bible doors in a person's home does not make them Christian.

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  5. pinoybaptist

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    I am sure CBT and C4K are way above average in intelligence and did not miss the point of the video.
    What this way below average in intelligence poster called pinoybaptist gathered is that he was not saying that every individual American is Christian and every individual key politician who founded this nation were Christian, but that everywhere one goes, specially in DC, one sees signs and indications that this country was basically founded along Christian principles.
    Maybe the same thing as one sees when one goes to countries like Malaysia and Kuwait, or even Indonesia.
    Not everyone in those countries are fervently practicing fundamental Islam but there is no mistaking the Islamic roots one sees and feels all around.
    That said, I would rather have a president who acknowledges the Christian principles on which this country stands, whther rightly or wrongly, unapologetically, rather than the current limp wrist at the white house whose speech that the United States of America is not a Christian nation is part of his "apologies" on behalf of the United States.
     
  6. Aaron

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    The Constitution is not its founding document. The Constitution is an enumeration of the powers of the federal government. It is in essence the by-laws through which the fifty sovereign states agree to unify.

    God is all over the constitutions of the fifty states.
     
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    The highly touted Thomas Jefferson was an avowed Deist who denied the deity of Christ, considered Paul an enemy of the teachings of Christ, and who cut and pasted his own Bible to remove the miracles of Christ, the resurrection of Christ, and everything but what remained of the gospels. You can hardly included a monument to his memory as part of a cross he denied.
     
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    You can't argue that the nation was founded as a secular nation. That is patently false.
     
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    "if this were a Christian nation" is a strawman argument. such words are far far different than saying this country was founded on biblical principles. Many of the men who founded this country and many afterwards conducted government business to perpetuate Christianity.



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    In the year of our Lord jesus is mentioned by the Founders, and MANY quotes from ALL of them pretty much make it VERY clear their intent was to form a republic based firmly upon the Bible principles/preceipts!

    Christian nation as in Covenant with God as isrel had in OT?

    No, but antion to to be government by bilical morals/standards/princples, YES!

    NO seperation church/state, christianity would be in school extolled upon etc!
     
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    I'm sorry, I don't understand this statement.
     
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    Of the 56 signatories of the Declaration of Independence, 32 were Episcopalian/Anglican, 13 were Congregationalist, 12 were Presbyterian, two were Quakers, one was Catholic. Two were Unitarian.

    Four of the signers of the Declaration of Independence were current or former full-time pastors, and many more were the sons of clergymen. Other professions held by those signatories include lawyers, merchants, doctors and educators. These individuals, too, were for the most part active churchgoers and many contributed significantly to their churches monetarily as well as through service as lay leaders. These men were members of religious denominations at a rate that was significantly higher than average for the American Colonies during the late 1700s.

    These signers have long inspired deep admiration among both secularists, who appreciate the non-denominational nature of the Declaration, and by traditional men and women of the Christian faith who appreciate the Declaration's recognition of God as the source of the rights enumerated by the document. B. J. Lossing's seminal 1848 collection of biographies of the signers of the Declaration of Independence echoed widely held sentiments held then and now that there was divine intent or inspiration behind the Declaration of Independence. Lossing matter-of-factly identified the signers as "instruments of Providence" who have "gone to receive their reward in the Spirit Land."

    No, the Constitution does not institute Christianity or any other religion as the "foundation" of this nation, but the deeply foundational Christian faith of the men who boldly declared revolt against the government of Great Britain due to the unfairness of treatment drew their strength from that faith and from the God of the Bible. Even those who could questionably be called "deists," as though that negates their faith in the God of the universe, tailored their lives upon the promises and guidance afforded in the word of God.

    It is not a Christian nation because it was founded on Christianity.

    It is a Christian nation because the guiding principles of the founders and of the vast majority of its people today is the Christianity of the Bible.
     
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    There can be no doubt that the nation was founded on western Judeo/Christian principles.

    The idea of imaging a cross on the national mall has nothing to do with those principles.

    And, I still contend, that acknowledging God does not make one a Christian.

    The inclusion of Thomas Jefferson in the video to imply Christianity is absurd. There is nothing, nothing at all, Christian about Thomas Jefferson.
     
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    I believe you might want to rethink that assumption. It is apparent that the hands of many men, in designing the Mall through several projects that accumulated for over 200 year, did God's work in the process.

    A Cross of Calvary on the USA National Mall
    Your absurdity is found to be an absurdity.

    Even Jefferson's penning of the alleged "Doctrine of Separation of Church and State" is a farce, his letter to a Connecticut Baptist association who had petitioned him to intervene in the state's efforts to force Baptists to conform to the state sanctioned church's orthodoxy being a defense of the wording of the First Amendment, averring that the only kind of protection afforded in the first was for churches and religion in general, that the federal government could make no law establishing a religion or inhibiting the free practice of religion. He never said, and never intended, that people of faith did not have a right of say in government, and he certainly never intended a "freedom from religion" be implied from the First's language.

    By the way, two days after he wrote the letter to the Baptist association, he attended church services -- in the U.S. Capitol Building!
     
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    Same Jefferson though who stated that Govt shall NOT infrigde upon religious liberities, did NOT state seperation church/state as SC said, and while president, had govt monies pay to help missionary work among native americans!

    Thefounding fathers would despise curent state of affairs, as they would have and did promote Christianity as religion of america , as the one that would best best to have, and others free to choose also as they wished!
     
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    Even Kennedy acknowledged that President Jefferson denied the deity of Christ - meaning he was not a Christian.

    Check out Jefferson's writing about the Apostle Paul.

    President Jefferson was a champion of religious liberty, but he was in no way Christian.



    What good would it do to give the Native Americans a book about the life and teachings of Jesus that leaves out the resurrection? Wouldn't a false Jesus be worse than no Jesus?

    And on the map thingy - the Freemasons and Satanists also overlay DC with their symbology. It's pretty hard to take a website too seriously that speaks of 'The Cross of Calvaly' and that uses the White House as a 'mansion prepared for us' and the Washington Monument speaking of the 'washing of our sins.' That site also addresses Jefferson as 'doubting Thomas' cut off on a island, calls Abraham a God image on the throne of heaven, and call Washington a Christ image.

    Great link there - I recommend everyone checking it out :) Cross of Calvaly on US National Mall
     
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    the Founders would have NOT had a seperation between church and state as SC defined it, more like state NOT telling religion what to do, and would have had Bible in classrooms, with study of the moral and teachings of Jesus required in schools!

    harvard/yale?princeton all founded to befrimarily centers to teach and instruct future pastos/teachers of bible and christian faith, oh how the mighty have fallen!
     
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    While many of our founding fathers would be considered Christian by today's definition; when compared to the Bible definition: a disciple of Jesus, The Christ, one would have to conclude many of founding fathers were nominal Christians at most.

    There is a lot of information, including pictures of George Washington being inaugurated in full Masonic regalia using a masonic Bible. References to God are more at GAOTU, not Jehovah(Jesus). A similar observation is made for Allah, contrary to what George Bush II may believe. Allah is not Jehovah. Apparently, there are many who do not believe that Jesus is The Christ, The Son of the Living God. Have any of these people ever made a personal application of John 1:1,14?

    No doubt the signers of the Declaration of Independence were religious. The majority were members of churches which practice state religion. Henry the eighth one, started a state religion, having split from a state religion in Rome. Luther split(actually was defrocked) from the same Romish state religion-- and then started his own state religion. Calvin did a similar scenario with a state religion. Interesting: all of these state religions viciously persecuted those who would not bow to them. Check out the heritage of True Baptists.

    Most of the signers were landed gentry who were "enlightened" by Voltaire, etal. Deism, humanism, and all the other man-made errors are not true Christianity.

    Washington monuments: the spire and the minaret both have a certain connection with things phallic--common to F&AM symbols.

    God showed how much He appreciates monuments of men at the Tower of Babel.

    "God does not dwell in temples made with hands..."

    He probably is not pleased with our pagan symbols for sure, including crosses.

    A large number of the original colonists were fleeing persecution by state religion. The Mayflower of 1620 had a little flock with a pastor, fleeing religious persecution in England and Holland.

    Surf also: John Clarke and what he was doing circa 1638 around Newport, R.I.

    The world hates Jesus and His disciples. Now what?

    Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

    Bro. James
     
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    You want to focus on what he wasn't rather than what he was, which is to say that, despite his rejection of Christ, he nonetheless valued and embraced what the Bible taught. And he was only one of 56 signatories to the Declaration.
    Absolutely, which is what Kennedy was saying. He was a nominal Christian, or "CINO" -- Christian in Name Only.
    The guy did get carried away, to be sure, but nonetheless, the imagery that has developed on the Mall over the last 200 years is oddly pointed in the direction of God, regardless of what the Masons and Satanists want to claim. They have to stretch to make theirs work. The cross is the cross, and the undeniable quotes from Scripture on the various presidents' memorials tells us where the leaders of this nation have pointed their hearts, which is ultimately far more important than where a cross traced by sidewalks points.
     
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    MY Wi Fi Internet won't play videos. However, Christians know that this country deviated from any association with Biblical standards a LONG time ago.
     

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