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Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by Salty, Feb 28, 2014.
Does your church celberate Ash Wednesday?
Why or why not?
No, but wouldn't necessarily be against it. We aren't solely a liturgical, church calendar type of church so we don't observe Lent, which has potential for a time of spiritual growth and discipline, but very little scriptural support. Unlike other special days like Palm Sunday, Easter, Good Friday and Maundy Thursday which can find scriptural support. I use scriptural support as a parallel reference, not in the "thus saith the Lord, celebrate Good Friday" manner.
Not celebrating or celebrating is matter of church choice, local autonomy.
No, just don't.
We are [proudly] ANTI-liturgical/high church and anti-papist, so pretty much anything that smacks of Lenten-works religion would not fly.
Hard to get our folks to accept candles/advent as those are pretty foreign to most Baptist churches
the minute I learn PB's do. collectively, I'm out of the door.
It is, as Dr. Bob says, papist.
And you have a frame of reference! How far we have come.
No, but have considered fifth Tuesdays--in leap years only using organic palm frond ashes only.
Seriously, one of the major considerations at the Council of Nicea(called by Constantine, the Great one), was when to celebrate Easter. Ash Wednesday is a part of this pagan hocus pocus promulgated by the not so holy see and the Big Kahuna.
What fellowship has righteousness with unrighteousness?
Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
Wednesday is bowling night. You don't mess with bowling night. :thumbsup:
Didn't those crazy methodists have ash Wednesday? Up here in apostate land, the once Catholic sheeple will skin you alive if you don't give them what they want, I.E., emulate the old Catholic rituals. We got a PCA church that celebrates halloween and has an annual Easter egg hunt.
:laugh:...'Give the people what they want ' and checks will abound.
Crazy Methodist do everything RC up to and including wearing a mitre. 13 years with 'em and never once did I have an Ash Wednesday, Maundy Thursday or Good Friday service.
I like an Easter Sunrise service. Personally, I'd be fine with every Sunday service around 6:00 am. Easter is late enough this year so we probably won't have to hike through the snow to get down by the creek.
You (or is that youse) mustard bin the Bishop's pet. LOL. Lets see, the UMC guy here releases helium balloons floored like Easter eggs into the air to rise into the sky ....just like Jesus going up in the clouds. Nice trick!:love2:
Yup. The Bishop adored me like a dog adores a porcupine.
That's for the Feast of the Ascension. What a maroon.
Think about it.......when do you get your largest attendance? Nobody goes to church on Ascension Sunday.
Now St. Patrick's Day & right before the parade....they are prime money makers. This guy makes allot of money. I am told that he is paid more than the Bishop.
I think you better rethink that remark.
Do you hold to the Baptist distinctives? Two of the classic ones are local autonomy and soul liberty. We as Baptists have the liberty to worship however our local, autonomous church sees fit. Baptists don't have a book of worship or order, like other denominations. Baptists are free to worship as they feel led, even though, obviously, it doesn't happen in a vacuum. We as Baptists, and our churches, must be led by scripture, reason, and experience with scripture being the final authority.
On Ash Wednesday, we choose to reflect upon our humanness, our need for forgiveness, and our connection to Christ’s last days. In the Catholic church, those themes are symbolized by the imposition of ashes on the forehead, with the words, “You are dust and to dust you shall return…” during the worship service. In our church, we instead choose to be anointed oil symbolizing the healing, the everlasting life, given through Christ's sacrifice. The liturgical churches' approach, in our mind, is negative, focusing on death without giving thought to the life available to all believers in Christ. In the Old Testament, ashes were a sign of penitence and mourning. Job was known for placing ashes upon his head to mourn the loss of his family. While the Maundy Thursday and Good Friday services are solemn and emotionally saddening , there is joy in the overall revelation of the season. Yes, we have those services too. The saddest moment is on Friday, when that final candle winks out, leaving the sanctuary -- and symbolically, the world -- in darkness as Christ gives up His human life. But as a famous sermon stated repeatedly, "It's Friday ... but Sunday's coming!"
You reject anything that is similar to the practices of the liturgical churches based on a primitive view, as indicated by those harsh words you have posted. But you really don't know what you're missing, and you don't know what great meaning those services add to the celebration of Christ's taking up His life again on Resurrection Morning. There's nothing magical about the practice, you don't "become Catholic" or even approve of their doctrine by taking part in a similar ceremony to theirs. But the meaning added cannot be imagined unless it is experienced.
Agreed....the origins were error based so why associate with such error.
DCONN.....were you ever a Roman Catholic?
Nope. Methobaptist as a youth -- we lived in a rural area where the only church was a Methodist church with a circuit pastor there every other week, but nearly everyone belonging to the church was Baptist. Then I was an atheist/agnostic (or some combination of the two) until I was nearly 41.
Is seriously flawed in terms of chronology and scriptural practice. If Jesus' tomb was found empty at dawn on Sunday, and He had been in the grave three days and three nights, He could not have died on Friday afternoon. The chronology does not fit--on any calendar.
Most off what is believed and practiced by Christendom is Romanized paganism, including: Easter. In fact, most High Holy Days are Romanized forms of unscriptural practice including mass and real presence.
True Baptists have never had anything to do with such things. They have been sawn asunder for refusing to bow to Rome. Protestants have not been friendly either. Luther and Calvin did some sawing too.
"What concord has the temple of God with Belial?"
Even so, come, Lord Jesus.
The ancients viewed any part of a day as a day, in reckoning future actions, especially in fulfilling contracts. Look at the landowner who paid those who had worked but an hour a full denarius, just as he paid those who had been in the field since sunup. It was the workers' greed, not the standard day's wage, that was in question at the end of the parable.
If I was a First Century Israeli, and I said to a man at 2 in the afternoon today, "Deliver to me twenty ephahs of wheat in three days," he would understand that I mean today as the first day, tomorrow as the second, and the day after as the third. To us now, that's two and a partial days, not three days, but in those times, the understanding was that the wheat was agreed to be delivered day after tomorrow, and it would be considered three days.
If today was Tuesday :
and you said deliever me a bale of wheat in one day - that would be Wed
and you said deliever me a bale of wheat in two days - that would be Thursday
and you said deliever me a bale of wheat in three days - that would be Friday