At what point did Jesus pay for our sins?

Certainly gets MY vote!

 

"If Christ be not risen - your faith is in vain..."

Seems to me its His ressurection that does it - the death put together the payment - the ressurection delivers it.

 

I do not know for sure about this teaching but just for the interest of posting on the topic I have heard that Jesus began his work by taking on our sins at the garden (he sweat drops of blood enduring the sin of the scapegoat). Then he shed his blood and died on the cross as the sacrifice. The work at this point had been completed as Jesus shouted it is finished.

Yet that was not the final phase of salvation. Jesus spent three days in the grave then resurrected. There on the third day he met Mary Magdaline who went to touch him but he told her to not lay hands upon him because he had not ascended to the Father. Those who follow this teaching beleive that Christ paid for our sins on the cross like a sacrifice but like the day of atonement, the lamb is killed outside of the holy place (no blood can be shed in the holy of holies) and then it was carried into the holy of holies to be sprinked... Christ shed his blood then had to rise to heaven clean (undefiled by human touch) to present his sacrifice before the throne where the father had to accept it. (on the day of atonement the priest feared this time because it the sacrifice was not accepted he would be stricken dead, for this reason the high priest wore bells and had a rope tied around his ankle. If the bells stopped jingling then he was dead and the other priests had to drag him out by the rope). After he made the presentation he could then be touched by his disciples. Those who hold to this belief say that it was when God said it was acceptable that salvation was fulfilled for us.

 

Godzthunder --

I sincerely hope that this is not harsh, but I don't know how else to put it, other than to say this: I suggest to you that you read the Greek Scriptures of this time in His life, to see what they really say, as well as learn what the Scriptures say that the priests really wore, rather than accept traditional answers for these questions.

 

One would think that in the very same instant that Christ died that the price was paid, but in retrospect, Christ hadn’t yet performed his high priestly duties… He had not yet entered the holy of holies in the heavenly tabernacle and sprinkled his blood on the alter…. He told Mary not to touch him because he hadn’t yet ascended to the father…. Later he let his disciples touch him…. This was a must that the blood be sprinkled on the holy of holies… Without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sins…..

 

My previous post said this is what SOME PEOPLE not myself view but thank you for the critique Either way the Bible says this about the garments of the Priest... This much is true...

Exodus 28:34
A golden bell and a pomegranate, a golden bell and a pomegranate, upon the hem of the robe round about.

28:35
And it shall be upon Aaron to minister: and his sound shall be heard when he goeth in unto the holy place before the LORD, and when he cometh out, that he die not.

the talmud furthers this by commanding a binded golden cord be tied to the priest in case of death.

 

I have not read this! Where in the talmud is it? Thanks!

 

Ah! Here is what I have found:

 

Anyone who uses the phrase "Well, rats"" just CAN'T be disagreeable. I see you point (and agree) about His death being from everlasting to everlasting but I thought the point of this thread was when did the pivotal event take place and what was that pivotal point. In that I think we agree that it was his death. Some are saying that it was His life or His ministry, or His ressurection, or his work in Heaven. I maintain that all of those things are good and necessary for Him and us but the only thing that was payment for sin was His death.

 

Thanks!

 

The wages of sin is death. I would say that He paid for my sin when he died. Why do we have to make this so complicated?