At What Time Do We Get the In-filling?

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  1. righteousdude2

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    I was talking with several believers on another forum today, and they were arguing over when a believer receives the in-filling...how they go about asking for the in filling...and how a person KNOWS they've been granted the in-filling!

    Well, after reading their views, I explained that I believe we are filled with the Holy Ghost the moment we receive Jesus! After all that is why Jesus died, so He could send His Holy Spirit to lead and guide and comfort and teach us! If that is true, then we must receive the Holy Ghost the moment we receive Jesus as Savior!

    As for asking that is when we realize that we have sinned in the eyes of God, and that our sin is what sends us to hell. When we humble oursleves in a spirit of remorse or compunction and ask Him to be our Savior, and wehn we do this, we are granting the Holy ghost perission to come and live in us at the same time.

    Finally, how do we know that the Holy Ghost is within us? Well, it is an act of faith!As for me, I just knew something happened in me, as I felt the presence of His Spirit moving in my heart. I even realized the presence of His Spirit in me, as I woke each day in a new boldness for Him, and a desire to read the Word and surround myself with fellowship of other believers and getting into a Bible preaching church!

    For me it has always been a matter of faith and seeing the little, as well as the big, changes He is making and doing [the fruits of the psirit] in all facets of my life! And for the times I may not feel quite saved, I have Scripture and actual life and heart changes and experiences to base my salvation on. And those things speak loudly to any feelings of unworthiness or doubt about being saved. Helping me to say to myself, that I know that I know that I am saved and going to heaven!

    Still, these brothers, and a sister, felt there was a different time and place where the in-filling takes place, and that certain things would manifest within and without at the moment of in filling!

    I disagreed with them and thought I'd seek your opinions on this. I realize that opinions will vary, but I still would like to know how you view this topic!

    Thanks ahead of time for sharing! I do appreciate your feedback. :wavey:
     
  2. Judith

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    I am not sure where you are getting these wild ideas, but I do know that you are not getting them from the bible. First we are saved by repentance toward God and faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, (Acts 20:21) not like you said.

    Second there is no such thing as an infilling. We receive the Spirit at salvation (Romans 8:9). As for the filling of the Spirit we are commanded to continually be being filled after that (Eph 5:18). The filling is our responsibility by command and told what we must do.

    Third the way we know the Spirit is in us is NOT a feeling and never does scripture suggest that we be concerned about if we have him or not just that we do not grieve or quench Him once we are saved (Eph 4:30).
    Lastly we know we are saved is we keep the commandments (1 John 2:3).


    Let me close with this. You seem to labor over ways to know you are saved. You are seeking a sign and no sign is going to be given. It is clear to me that you live in a state of doubt about your salvation and are continually trying to get conformation about your salvation by either signs, such as tongues, or conformation by getting others to agree with you on other things like you posted here which are not biblical.

    There is only one way to know if we are saved according to scripture. That is if we keep the commandments 1 John 2:3).
    Brother you need to STOP with all the seeking the Spirit and conformation. We are NEVER told to seek the Spirit! You just need to focus on Jesus and keeping His word and you will have all the evidence you need about salvation.

    I really mean this when I say that my prayers are because my heart is sad for you as it is clear that you are in distress with your seeking conformation of your salvation through tongues, and so called infillings. Just relax and believe what scripture says and examine yourself to see if Jesus is in you and we do that by knowing we can do nothing against the truth (2Cor 13:5, 13:8) as well as 1John 2:3.
     
  3. Yeshua1

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    The Holy Spirit comes into and indwells ALL who have been saved by the Lord, and so ALL have Him indwelling them, but only those who choose to keep submitted/yeilding to Him on a moment by momentfashion as him infilling them!

    SAME "amount" of Him in all saved, he stays forever, no coming and going, but when we chose to grieve/quench Him, NOT filled!
     
  4. Tom Butler

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    This may be an oversimplification.

    I once heard a pastor say, "When you're saved, you get all of the Holy Spirit you're gonna get. On the other hand, the Holy Spirit may not have all of you."

    This suggests that salvation is a one-time thing, but sanctification is an ongoing process.
     
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    At What Time Do We Get the In-filling?

    Right after the out going of the old man.
     
  6. Yeshua1

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    great explanation, but that begs the additional question" is the infilling by/of the Spirit SAME as staying abiding in jesus as Lord, as paul said the Spirit of christ many times, the the Spirt is the Lord?"
     
  7. Rhys

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    I agree. This seems to be the historical consensus. Wesley's doctrine of 'entire sanctification,' the Holiness movement's emphasis on it, and the Pentecostal movement's expansion of it seems to have muddied the waters a tad.
     
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    Agreed, as ALL of them stated that there is an extra/additional act/aspect to having more of the Holy Spirit operating in our lives than just being infilled!
     
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    Though I wouldn't call it an indwelling, because of theological baggage, we are baptized by the Holy Spirit at the moment of justification. It is what seals us in faith as believers.
     
  10. righteousdude2

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    Now I like that....

    :thumbsup::thumbsup::applause:
     
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    Agreed.

    :applause::thumbsup::thumbsup:
     
  12. righteousdude2

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    It's Time for YOU to Slow Down....

    ....take a few REALLLLLL Deep breaths....

    And go back and show me where what I said is any different that what you have said?

    I said the infilling, what many people call it when we recieve the Holy Ghost, some call it the indwelling, comes by faith at the moment we repent and recieve Jesus into our hearts, our life, etc.

    I did not say I was looking for a sign, but let's start with a good one, if that's what you want, like this one -----> :godisgood: OR ---------->:jesus:

    Now....please calm down sister, and let me remind you what I said in my OP, and I quote "Well, after reading their views, I explained that I believe we are filled with the Holy Ghost the moment we receive Jesus! After all that is why Jesus died, so He could send His Holy Spirit to lead and guide and comfort and teach us! If that is true, then we must receive the Holy Ghost the moment we receive Jesus as Savior!"

    Now tell me how in the wide world of sin and evil, does that differ from what you said???

    I also said, and again I quote, "Finally, how do we know that the Holy Ghost is within us? Well, it is an act of faith! ...For me it has always been a matter of faith and seeing the little, as well as the big, changes He is making and doing [the fruits of the spirit] in all facets of my life!"

    As for seeking the Spirit, I beg to differ ... check out this, "Seek eagerly after love. Set your hearts on spiritual gifts." 1 Corinthians 14:1. Paul said this, and how is the giver of gifts Ummmmmm, I think it was, is and always will be the Holy Spirit! Luke 11:13 tells us, “If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?” - Ummmmmm, I think it is implied here that we must seek, or ask if we want the "Holy Spirit!"

    Jesus told us when we pray we should not only ask, but SEEK, and Knock....and then there is the scripture that tells us to SEEK first the Kingdom of God! Sister, we can not have anything of God without first seeking Him.

    And let me present a few verses that tell us that Seeking is what we should in fact be doing!

    Deuteronomy 12:5 - "Rather, you must seek the Lord your God at the place of worship he himself will choose from among all the tribes—the place where his name will be honored."

    1 Chronicles 22:19 - "Now seek the Lord your God with all your heart and soul."

    Judges 20:27 _ "The Israelites went up seeking direction from the Lord."

    Matthew 6:33 - "Seek the Kingdom of God above all else, and live righteously, and he will give you everything you need."

    John 6:27 - "But don’t be so concerned about perishable things like food. Spend your energy seeking the eternal life that the Son of Man can give you. For God the Father has given me the seal of his approval.”

    And FINALLY [but in a word search I found a hundred New and Old Testiment verses on "seek"], but not least, Hebrews 11:6 -"And it is impossible to please God without faith. Anyone who wants to come to him must believe that God exists and that he rewards those who sincerely seek him."

    And here's the strange thing that kind of tells me that you may be losing it, just a little, sister as you seem to contradict yourself when you say to me, "You seem to labor over ways to know you are saved....Just relax and believe what scripture says and examine yourself to see if Jesus is in you...?

    So tell me, sister, what am I supposed to do? Not LABOR over ways to know I am saved .... or EXAMINE myself to see if JESUS is in fact in me?

    My, my, but you do seem to do a lot of double talking, especially when you are angry.

    I think if you go back and read my original post - the OP - you will see that I said nothing that is any different that what you said in your comments, berating me and telling me that, "I really mean this when I say that my prayers are because my heart is sad for you as it is clear that you are in distress with your seeking conformationof your salvation through tongues, and so called infillings."

    I think you are definitely carrying over from another OP of mine, the issue of tongues, and let me remind you that if you re read that OP, you will see that, as I am going to say one more time for you [please read my lips], I never said then, now or in the future, that tongues are a SiGN of the Holy Ghost indwelling within us! That is something you keep trying to put on my lips, but I dare you to show me where I ever said that the gift of tongues is necessary to prove one has the Holy Ghost.

    And for those, including you Judith, if in anyway I confused you with the word infilling, I meant it as the same way indwelling of the Spirit is meant! It is purely semantics, and to me when the Spirit abides in us it comes through the indwelling or infilling, and like I said at the top of this OP, it comes when we recieve Jesus, at our rebirth!

    A few weeks back, I was jumped on for using the wrod or terminology Accepting him, instead of recieving Him. To me it is one in the same.

    When I was discussing the infilling with those others in another forum, I was speaking to the same process that a lot of us call the indwelling of the spirit, and my quaifying verse is from Romans 8:9-11 (NLT), "But you are not controlled by your sinful nature. You are controlled by the Spirit if you have the Spirit of God living in you. (And remember that those who do not have the Spirit of Christ living in them do not belong to him at all.) And Christ lives within you, so even though your body will die because of sin, the Spirit gives you life because you have been made right with God. The Spirit of God, who raised Jesus from the dead, lives in you. And just as God raised Christ Jesus from the dead, he will give life to your mortal bodies by this same Spirit living within you."

    Come on Judith, get a life...relax....and please don't worry about my spiritual walk or wellbeing! I am just fine, believe me. I am not in any spirit, emotional or phsycial distress when it comes to my salvation! There is nothing I am more confident of in this life than my standing in Jesus. Because I am saved, not by my good works, but by the good works of Christ on the cross on my behalf! I was saved, born-again and filled with the presence of the indwelling of the Holy Spirit on Christmas Eve, 1966. As for the other thing, that you seem to be tripping [I am referring to stumbling over] over, that didn't even come into my life until 15 or twenty years later, in fact, it was such an isignificant event, I can't tell you where or when it happened! That should be one more proof that I do not care if I have IT or not! I am willing to forgo IT, if it meant losing my relationship with God through His Son! But, God would have to tell me to give IT up, and as of today, He has not yet done that! But, IT is not that big a thing in my life, and I don't want IT to be overwhelming in yours either, so please drop IT, and let's just be friends!
     
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    that is His work to place in in spiritual union with Jesus and His body, to be now "In Christ!"
     
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    [\Actually, ALl of us are indwelt by him at rebirth, dealed, but up to us to chose to stay infilled by/with Him!

    And the holy Spirit Himself administers the gifts among us, so up to Him to decide which ones that we receive!
     
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    I think keeping the commandments which is impossible and having a desire to keep them are two different things.
     
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    The old man or old nature does not go anywhere after we are saved. When we are saved we receive a new nature or new man and then the warfare begins.
     
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    You are filled with the Spirit when you are yielded to him and walking in the Spirit.

    You are not filled when you are saved, but you are indwelt.

    The filling of the Spirit is not a once and for all event, though God may at one time open your eyes to the infilling of the Spirit.
     
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    You are describing Apsotle paul after salvation, wanted to keep the law of god, but was trying by sheer willpower and desire, failed, but overcome the flesh by relying upon the Holy spirit now sealed within him!
     
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    This is where the righteousness of Christ imputed to the believer comes into play. Christ kept the law in his life time, not for himself but for the elect. Rom 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone that believeth. 1 Cor 1:30 But of Him ( God) are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made UNTO US wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption; all in the past tense. 11 Cor 5:21 For He (God) hath made Him ( Christ) to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness in Him ( Christ). Phil 3:9 Paul said, I want to be found in Him ( Christ) not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law (which is but filthy rags) but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith. Heb 11:17
     
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    I can agree with that too!

    Of course you will have to answer Judith's vehement response that there is no infilling! But as to what you said, I have heard it explained that way too, and that is something I can somewhat agree with, that God will, through the Holy ghost, continue to enlighten or infill us as we mature and grow. As a hippie type Jesus Freak, I like to call that a refilling of the human spirit, something akin to pulling into the gas station of scriptural truths and refueling our hearts, souls and minds!

    Thanks Jordan! :applause:
     

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