Authority to call one version superior?

I think in most cases it is a faith issue more than audacity. I have faith that I am holding the word of God in my hand whether I am holding a copy of the KJV or one of the MVs such as the NASB, the NKJV, the NIV, etc. Some others have faith that only the KJV is the true word of God. Where I feel only the partial word of God is found is in versions "translated" to agree with errant doctrines. Examples of these versions would include the New World Translation (NWT) of the Jehovah's Witnesses, the Joseph Smith Translation (JST) of the Mormons, and the Clear Word Translation (CWT) of the Seventh Day Adventists.

 

Nope, they expose themselves right between their pages.

 

How do they "expose themselves right between their pages?"

 

These Bibles do not say the same thing for they are exposed within their very pages. The following was performed without any twisting of any kind.

Mathew 17:21
KJV - Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting.
ESV - [Not found]

Mark 9:44 & 9:46
KJV - Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
ESV - [Not Found]

Romans 16:24
KJV - "The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen."
ESV - [Not Found]

1 John 5:7
KJV - For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
ESV - For there are three that testify:

Isaiah 9:3
KJV - Thou hast multiplied the nation, and not increased the joy:
ESV - You have multiplied the nation;you have increased its joy...​

 

I feel the exact same way (howbeit to comparatively lesser degrees) about the NIV, NAS, et al. They are only as acurate as they agree with the KJV. When they disagree with the KJV, I believe they are wrong.

This is based on hundreds of years of fruit produced by God's people when there was basically one dominant version. It was at the same general time that the canon was finally completely cleared up. It is a matter of faith with me. I believe God closed the canon and the words in the canon.

There are no direct scriptures for either belief, I'll readily admit. Yet, those who demand a verse that says "Thou shalt only use the KJV!" seldom demand a verse that says "Thou shalt only use 66 books!"

I don't think I am audacious. Others can believe what they want. I don't care. I have sweet fellowship with many who are not KJVO. (As a matter of fact, few of my friends are KJVO.) Those are just my convictions, but they are deeply held convictions.

Lacy

 

Rufus_1611: //Isaiah 9:3
KJV - Thou hast multiplied the nation, and not increased the joy:
ESV - You have multiplied the nation;you have increased its joy..//

That post is deceptive.

In fact, the KJV and the ESV say the same thing.
Here is the rest of the story:

Ifaiah IX:3a (KJV1611 Edition):
Thou hast multipied the nation,
and ||not increased the ioy : ...

Margin note:
|| or, to him.

so the second best reading, according to the KJV1611 Edition
is:
Ifaiah IX:3a (KJV1611 Edition):
Thou hast multipied the nation,
and to him increased the ioy : ...

Bonus question: to whom does 'him' refer here?
Bonus answer: 'the people that walked in darkness".

Isaiah 9:3a (ESV = English Standard Version)
You have multiplied the nation;you have increased its joy; ...

Thus the reading of the ESV is included
in the REAL KJV, the KJV1611 Edition.

An even clearer explanation is given in the HCSB
(Christian Standard Bible /Holman, 2003/ ):

The Holman Christian Standard Bible
Isaiah 9:3a (HCSB):
You have enlarged the nation
and increased its joy.* ...

Footnote:
* Alt Hb tradition reads have not increased joy

The demonic plot against the Bible is squashed against
the cold reality of the actual Bibles in question.
There is still additional information that God has
stored in His multiple English Witnesses to God's
Written Word, preserved for our age (2007 for you who
haven't been keeping score).

 

Rufas1611: //Romans 16:24
KJV - "The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen."
ESV - [Not Found]

Strange, I found it:
2 Thessalonians 3:18 (ESV):
The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all.

You might want to check the adequacy your ESV search engine???

 

Even better: just read the note (#6) following Romans 6:23 ESV

Some of those supposedly missing verses are there (in a notation): you really need to read the version, Rufus!

Rob
​

 

I just finished reading the NT through in the ESV and now I am ESVO!

(Or is that ESBO? Sounds like a personal problem!)

 

Umm. That's a different verse Ed.

 

I've read the version. It didn't take.

Do you believe notations are scripture or do you believe that notations are inspired?

"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:" - 2 Timothy 3:16​

 

My compliments for taking a stand on something, regardless of how bad it stinks.

 

How can directly quoting scripture be deceptive? I'm doing my best to be patient with ya Ed but your accusation is without foundation.

Your post is deceptive as you have misquoted the 1611 twice on the same verse as it reads "m-u-l-t-i-p-l-i-e-d".

 

Good one... guess I opened the door for ya.

Don't let it hit ya in the Keister on the way out.

 

Well of course it didn't 'take'. You read it to find fault with it.

Reminds me of the story of the fella who got a little Limburger cheese on his moustache and walked around saying, "The whole world stinks" when the problem was under his nose all along.

As to the notations, the KJV1611 translators said in their Preface concerning marginal notes-

" • 5 it hath pleased God in His divine providence here and there to scatter words and sentences of that difficulty and doubtfulness, not in doctrinal points that concern salvation, (for in such it hath been vouched that the Scriptures are plain) but in matters of less moment, that fearfulness would better beseem {be suitable to} us than confidence, and if we will resolve, to revolve upon modesty with S.Augustine, (though not in this same case altogether, yet upon the same ground) Melius est dubitare de occultis, quàm litigare de incertis: [S.August. li. 8. de Genes. ad liter. cap. 5.] it is better to make doubt of those things which are secret, than to strive about those things that are uncertain.
• 6 There be many words in the Scriptures [apax legomena.] which be never found there but once, (having neither brother nor neighbour, as the Hebrews speak) so that we cannot be holpen by conference of places.
• 7 Again, there be many rare names of certain birds, beasts, and precious stones, etc., concerning which the Hebrews themselves are so divided among themselves for judgement, that they may seem to have defined this or that, rather because they would say something, than because they were sure of that which they said, as S.Hierome somewhere saith of the Septuagint.
• 8 Now in such a case, doth not a margin do well to admonish the reader to seek further, and not to conclude or dogmatize upon this or that peremptorily?
• 9 For as it is a fault of incredulity, to doubt of those things that are evident, so to determine of such things as the Spirit of God hath left (even in the judgement of the judicious) questionable, can be no less than presumption.
• 10 Therefore as S.Augustine saith, [S.Aug. 2. de doctr. Christian. cap. 14.] that variety of translations is profitable for the finding out of the sense of the Scriptures: so diversity of signification and sense in the margin, where the text is not so clear, must needs do good, yea, is necessary, as we are persuaded.
• 11 We know that Sixtus Quintus [Sixtus V. præf. Bibliæ.] expressly forbiddeth that any variety of readings of their vulgar edition should be put in the margin, (which though it be not altogether the same thing to that we have in hand, yet it looketh that way) but we think he hath not all of his own side his favourers for this conceit.
• 12 They that are wise, had rather have their judgments at liberty in differences of readings, than to be captivated to one, when it may be the other.

(You may read this in it's entirety at http://www.jesus-is-lord.com/pref1611.htm#s16

 

Sorry double post

 

At the time I read it, I was not aware of a Bible version controversy and was not looking for fault.

 

Mea culpa. Pardonnez moi.

 

Par usual we are off track again discussing the KJV and other versions. The topic of this thread it finding an authority to call one version superior.

 

And as I correctly pointed out: there is no "authority" which both sides will accept.

Though good ol RC3 was quick to pounce he didn't even bother to address the salient point of my post. Neither did most of the others guys. Lacy commented, as did one other, but for the most part, my POINT was ignored. I believe it is because of the fact that I identify myself as KJVo and therefore am not given the time of day nor even considered to have a brain in my head. Se la Vi! Que sera, sera!

Nevertheless, if one insists that my FAITH is blind, so be it. Their loss, not mine. I know whom I have believed and am persuaded that He is able to keep that which I have committed unto HIM against that day. Not to Roby, not to Roger, not to Ed, not to Dr. Bob, not to any of the rest of you. Unto HIM. And it is here I make my stand. No devil in hell nor so-called scholar on earth may shake the ground upon which I stand. THAT ground is revealed in the good old King James Bible. Bring your hammers and pound away. POUND AWAY I say. Your hammers will break! But the ANVIL of the King James Bible will STAND! Every skeptical athiest on earth will break before that Book. Every unregenerate scholar in the universities. Every wanna-be greek professor on this board. Every man who brings an accussation against that Book will one day be broken before the God who wrote it. So POUND AWAY I say.

"Authority" to call one version 'superior' over another? There is no earthly authority recognized by either side, but there IS one in Heaven I say. And I say so by faith in Him who has called me to His everloving Grace.

You see? No argument in earth, nor hell beneath can gainsay the faith of one of God's children. The just shall live by FAITH. Qualify that one if you must in order to ease your own conscience but faith is an everyday;-all day-in everything; matter in my life. Without FAITH it is IMPOSSIBLE to please Him. You have a choice in versions? Is it by faith or PREFERENCE? If by preference then according to the Bible it is not pleasing in His sight. Is it by opinion? Then according to the Bible it is not pleasing in His sight. Is it by scholarly argument? Then it is not pleasing in His sight.

Without faith it is IMPOSSIBLE to please HIM!!!

"Have a good and Godly day. For of what lasting value is a good day unless it is a godly day?" (Woodrow Kroll)