AV Revision

Discussion in '2004 Archive' started by Precepts, Feb 9, 2004.

  1. Precepts

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    The Authorized Version, as it came to be called, went through several editions and revisions. Two notable editions were that of 1629, the first ever printed at Cambridge, and that of 1638, also at Cambridge, which was assisted by John Bois and Samuel Ward, two of the original translators. In 1657, the Parliament considered another revision, but it came to naught. The most important editions were those of the 1762 Cambridge revision by Thomas Paris , and the 1769 Oxford revision by Benjamin Blayney. One of the earliest concordances was A Concordance to the Bible of the Last Translation, by John Down-ham, affixed to a printing of 1632.

    I was just wondering what all the Bible hounds have to say about this little tidbit?

    [ February 10, 2004, 11:02 AM: Message edited by: Dr. Bob Griffin ]
     
  2. Ed Edwards

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    I'm not going to revise my spiel to account
    for none of your facts ;)

    So what i speak of is:

    KJV1611 - the 1611 family of editions
    KJV1769 - the 1762, 1769 family of editions
    KJV1783 - the 1783 family of editions

    Still, i only have three of these KJVs
    on my computer desk. Maybe I'll call
    them 1 John, 2 John, 3 John :confused:
     
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    But, dear Somebody, if there were revisions, that means that somebody was right and somebody was wrong. How can that be?
     
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    *note of warning QS*
    Putting peoples names in the subject is against rules. Can you change the subject line, before they catch you?

    Ed is it 1783, or 1873?
     
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    A source is a source, of course, of course,
    And no one can talk to a source of course
    That is, of course, unless the source is the famous Mr. Ed.

    Go right to the source although you're hoarse
    He'll give you the answer that you'll endorse.
    He's always on a steady course.
    Talk to Mr. Ed.

    People yakkity yak a streak and waste your time of day
    But Mister Ed will never speak unless he has something to say.


    A source is a source, of course, of course,
    And this one'll talk 'til his voice is hoarse.
    You never heard of a talking source?

    Well listen to this.

    I am Mister Ed.
     
  6. Precepts

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    Editions and revisions are distinctly different from "changes" or should I have said "alterations"?

    I started this thread on the basis of Mr. Ed Edwierdo's consistent remarks concerning the 1769, when actually the AV 1611 KJB is best understood in the 1762 EDITION known to us as the Cambridge by Thomas Paris.

    I really love it when other members pick up a morsel and run with it, not unsimilar to a stray dog smelling out a sliver of meat, snatching it up and yelping off into the distance when whelped by the smooth stone in a young man's sling.

    When you throw a rock in a pack of dogs, the one you hit yelps the loudest, or sings the most, whichever is the case, but the whole pack yelps along with them.

    Tee-hee. Thank you for your wit and charm, Mr. Ed,uh, Edwierds, this thread's for you!
     
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    I guess I'm just caught, I wouldn't know how to change it. I pleasd innocency, I beg the court for mercy, PLEEEEEAAAASSSE forgive me? Will the judge please hear my appeal? I just didn't know any better, I understand ignorance is no excuse for breaking the rules. I'm so sorry [​IMG]
     
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    Edit: to change, alter, or delet a text [​IMG]

    Revise: to correct or improve upon a text [​IMG]

    [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]

    Don't worry, Jesus still loves you! [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
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    1873, sorry if i inconvienced
    you with my dyslexia.

    [​IMG]
     
  10. Thankful

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    QS, it appears that you may be breaking posting rules #4 & #8.

    I have noticed when one may be losing a debate based on his beliefs then he begins to make personal attacks.
     
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    Craig, If you noticed in your definitions, you used the word "text", but I have never declared the AV 1611 KJB to be perfect in text, we all know that isn't true, but when we come to the Koine Greek and the Masoretic Hebrew, then the KJB English context , well, that's where we get the apples sorted from the the uh, oranges.

    Thankful, I'm so glad you and tiny both are able to remind me of the letter of the law. I'm sure Brother Ed knows what this thread is all about, in case you weren't listening, the theme is begun with the words in BOLD the 1762 Cambridge Editon by Thomas Paris.

    Mr. Paris may have improved on the text, but he didn't even consider changing the context.

    BTW, Thankful, did you notice I sincerely apologized to all and laid myself at the feet of the moderators and pleaded fro mercy? I believe this is completely in thier hands to execute due process of law. If they wish to delete the thread and scold me or ban me from BB then that is their perogative. As far as losing a debate? Which one? I fail to see that as of yet, maybe you can help me, not try to hurt me. Did you have something you would like to sat according to the topic? :cool:
     
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    Yes, this topic is obviously a personal attack.

    I have learned when John talks about Stephen that one learns more about John than Stephen.
     
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    It is Not! Making reference to the truth is not a personal attack. You can try and read that all you want into the thread, but that only proves you to be maliciously inspired. I really hate to have to say that, I've seen where you are respected by many other BB members, but Sister, you are wrong this time.

    I do suppose those who are diametrically opposed to we who hold the AV 1611 KJB in it's proper place that we are tried at the fire, all the while our censorship is really the motive.

    BTW, you are the only one who has written this accusation into the thread, if others feel the same way, then they can be willfully wrong too.

    Brother Ed, I appologize, none offense intended, hope none taken. I haven't actually seen you take offense, quite the contrary. I've seen where you made light of this and "changed" your "1769" to 1762 or 9. Maybe it's Thankful that's offended. If that's the case, then Thankful, I apologize.

    I can only wish I had not used Brother Ed's name in the title, I believe it's too late, baby, it's just too late, "though we really did try to make it, something inside has died and I just can't fake it, Oh! No! No! It's too late, baby, It's too late, now, now darling, it's too late!"

    Thanks Carol King for those inspiring words.
     
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    Is this a case of look at how humble I am?
     
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    Yes and by the number of posts you have made since December 2003 guess who's the leader of the pack?

    HankD
     
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    I changed the title to abide by the rules. QS, don't know how "humble" your apology was, but will allow this thread to stay open as long as it is on the subject of the REVISON/EDITION et al.
     
  17. Precepts

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    No. Hank, just a lot of puppies to throw at. Uh, dogs can't throw rocks, but little ruddy young lads can put them in a sling!

    I know this to be fact. I hit my dog in the head with a rock and he picked it up and brought it back to me. He knows I really love him and what he was doing wasn't right and justified the rock, unless you're one of those who love animals more than people, the dog was jumping all over my son. Get that analogy in proper perspective! ;)
     
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    Quickening Spirit:"The Authorized Version, as it came to be called, went through several editions and revisions."(Snipped)

    "I was just wondering what all the Bible hounds have to say about this little tidbit?"

    Things that are different are not the same.(often said by Bro. Tim Bynum, who claims to be KJVO)
     
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    Thanks Dr. Bob, I confess I did it out of compulsion, and without malice. I didn't know, and still don't, how to change the title when tiny brought it to my attention. My apology is of a degree of humility, I am only capable to a degree, I'm only human [​IMG] .

    To keep on topic, does anyone have any info reagrding Thomas Paris and why he thought the 1762 needed to be published? I know it was Truth, but any actual relative facts?
     
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    One can change the title (if you started the thread) or change your post for a few minutes after it is "up". Hit the "edit" icon on the thread.

    After that short time limit, however, only the moderator of the particular forum may change it (and it will say "editted by") or an Administrator (we have godlike powers!! [​IMG] )

    If someone wants to change AFTER the time limit, they usually pm me or just hit the "whistle" at the bottom of each post and say to edit. I try to spend an hour each a.m. and hour or more late night, often filling such requests.
     

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