B.J.U.

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  1. Bro. Curtis

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    Our music director is from this school. I have not met a more Godly family than his. Not only is he raising up a family obviously filled with Christ's love, he appears to be financially successful, upbeat, talented, & unbending in the music he will allow in our services. He takes his calling very seriously. He has taught me so much in my 11 months in this church.

    So my question is......why do some people on this board dislike this school. Be honest please.
     
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    Mr Curtis:
    I've heard a few speeches by different leaders and teachers from Bob Jones University and as far as I can tell they are not liked because they are not politically correct, don't let their students shack together during the week then attend church on Sunday. I guess at one time they were against interracial marraiges and that is a little strange, since if you are a regenerated, born again Christian, it should not make any difference what race you are.

    Other than that, they offend people because they are very conservative, and Christian fundamentalists. I heard they are a very good University so I personally would not care what anyone thinks. If my kids wanted to go there, I would support that.I bet BJU even teaches American History and may even have some good things to say about our founding fathers, unlike most of the major universities these days.
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    Yup !!! Politically incorrect, fundamental, conservative, all seem to be naughty words now-a-days. I agree with you. From what I have read, Dr. Jones was far from arrogant, admitting he would be in deep trouble were it not for his savior.

    But there are folks on this very board who seem to think that school does more damage than good. What I see does not support this. I pray they have many more years as a successful liberal arts school.
     
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    Moving this one guys to the Baptist Seminary/Colleges board [​IMG]
     
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    Why has the discussion of BJU been moved to the Baptist Colleges/Seminaries forum? It seems pretty clear that BJU is not a Baptist institution.
     
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    Curtis:
    For all the following reasons listed, I would definitely send my kids to B.J.U. If all the liberals, and especially, if some of the people on this board, don't like B.J.U. it can't be all bad.
    Any institution of higher learning that is resisting the trendy, political correctness of the day, has to be a great place.
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  7. Chick Daniels

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    Thomas, While I am not overly-excited to send my kids to BJU, they do have a lot of Baptists there, and from what I heard, they have released two of their Bible faculty who were not Baptist (which is kind of a shame, because they were good Calvinists ;) ). It seems that they are moving in more of a Baptist direction. Technically, you are correct, BJU is not strictly Baptist.

    Mr. Curtis,

    My beef with the school is the fact that they are not accredited (students cannot always get into the graduate school of their choice), they are so closed-in (no inter-collegiate sports), and they are ... well... so stuffy--there, I said it. I understand why supporters call it "class", "professional" etc., but Jonsies come across to me with a certain social class arrogance (intended or not) to make the rest of us feel like second class fundamentalists. I have very dear friends who graduated from BJU, and not all fit the stereotype, but you asked for an honest answer. Here's Mine.

    Chick

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    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Thomas Cassidy:
    Why has the discussion of BJU been moved to the Baptist Colleges/Seminaries forum? It seems pretty clear that BJU is not a Baptist institution.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Where else should it be put?
     
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    The following article will explain why BJU is damaging to Independant Baptist Churches. They accept modern Bible Versions and trend towards replacing the KJV with the NASV.
    FBF, BJU and the NASV

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    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by TomVols:
    Where else should it be put?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Free for all (non Christian) forum?

    (The devil made me say that!) [​IMG]
     
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    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chick Daniels:
    Thomas, While I am not overly-excited to send my kids to BJU, they do have a lot of Baptists there, . . . <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>There are a lot of Baptists in prison too, but I am not going to send my kids there! [​IMG]
     
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    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by This Little Light:The following article will explain why BJU is damaging to Independant Baptist Churches. They accept modern Bible Versions and trend towards replacing the KJV with the NASV.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Most fundamental Baptist churches do accept the use of modern versions. This is because they hold the Scriptural doctrine on the issues of preservation and inspiration. There is no trend toward replacing the KJV with the NASV because the NASV doesn't exist. Some have changed to the NASB because it is a generally a better translation, more accurate, and more reflective of the last 400 years of linguistic study.

    As for the baptistic nature of BJU, I wonder if someone would point to a fundamental school that has turned out more Baptist pastors than BJU has over the last 70 years.

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    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Jonsies come across to me with a certain social class arrogance (intended or not) to make the rest of us feel like second class fundamentalists.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    BJU does something to its students to instill in them an incredible loyalty to the institution itself. One by-product of that intense loyalty is that graduates somehow come out with the idea that BJU stands alone--the last bastion of fundamentalism. Everyone else is on the slippery slope to compromise.

    I think another contributing factor to that attitude is something you mentioned, Chick--the closed off nature of the University. Most of the other schools within "baptistic" fundamentalism interact with each other, particularly on the athletic field. They learn that their own school is not the only hope for the future.
     
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    Pastor Larry:
    Maybe Dallas Theological Seminary, although I'm not sure how fundamentalist it is anymore. Any others that actually teach that the bible is the word of God?
    James2
     
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    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JAMES2:
    Pastor Larry:
    Maybe Dallas Theological Seminary, although I'm not sure how fundamentalist it is anymore. Any others that actually teach that the bible is the word of God?
    James2
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    I am not certain about all the teaching of Pennsicola Christian College but I am certain they believe in the inerrancy, infallability and inspiration of God's Word and teach it. They have a great set of Video tapes exposing BJU's teachings that shake the foundation (God's Word) of the fundamentalists by encouraging their student to question God "Yea, hath god said... ?" instead of trusting Him completely for the preservation of His Word.

    [ January 14, 2002: Message edited by: This Little Light ]
     
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    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by JAMES2:
    Pastor Larry:
    Maybe Dallas Theological Seminary, although I'm not sure how fundamentalist it is anymore. Any others that actually teach that the bible is the word of God?
    James2
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    Yes. You can now say that confidently about all six Southern Baptist funded seminaries, as well as MidAmerican Baptist Seminary, and SBC school in Memphis, TN; Clear Creek Baptist Bible College in Pineville, KY; Luther Rice Seminary in Lithonia, GA. These are but a few.
     
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    Dallas Theological Seminary can hardly be called fundamentalist. I doubt that they would want the term to be used of them.

    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>exposing BJU's intentions to shake the foundation (God's Word) of the fundamentalists <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    I'm no lawyer, but that seems to be a statement very close to libel.

    Please acquaint yourself with the history of fundamentalism before associating opposition to textual criticism and KJV onlyism with historic fundamentalism. This issue has been discussed enough in other threads, so I'll restrain myself from further comment.
     
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    one of the reasons that BJ doesn't "interact" on the athletic field is simply that it gets too expensive. The school has worked hard to keep tuition down; something getting harder to do.

    ATTENTION: 'THIS LITTLE LIGHT' (emphasis on 'little') PLEASE DO NOT REPEAT TO OTHERS BJ'S SECRET PLOT TO SHAKE AND DESTROY THE FOUNDATION OF FUNDAMENTALISM. WE HAVE WORKED HARD TO KEEP THIS SECRET (another reason we don't interact)STARTING NEXT YEAR WE WILL BE PLACING RSVs IN HOTEL ROOMS ACROSS THE GLOBE!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

    please, please tell me you are not serious in your charges. As to PCC and their allegations, charges etc. against BJU feel free to access the BJU site where I know at one time they had their reply letter accessible for all to read (although, it was in modern English not 1611 which may be detrimental to their case..what do you think?)
     
  19. This Little Light

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    I have reworded my statement as I can not prove they intend to do it. I am sure they just teach that way because of pride and ignorance.

    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Siegfried:
    [QB]I'm no lawyer, but that seems to be a statement very close to libel.
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
     
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    I have read the letter and seen parts of the BJU response video and it only strengthens the argument against them.
    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by paul hadik:
    one of the reasons that BJ doesn't "interact" on the athletic field is simply that it gets too expensive. The school has worked hard to keep tuition down; something getting harder to do.

    ATTENTION: 'THIS LITTLE LIGHT' (emphasis on 'little') PLEASE DO NOT REPEAT TO OTHERS BJ'S SECRET PLOT TO SHAKE AND DESTROY THE FOUNDATION OF FUNDAMENTALISM. WE HAVE WORKED HARD TO KEEP THIS SECRET (another reason we don't interact)STARTING NEXT YEAR WE WILL BE PLACING RSVs IN HOTEL ROOMS ACROSS THE GLOBE!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

    please, please tell me you are not serious in your charges. As to PCC and their allegations, charges etc. against BJU feel free to access the BJU site where I know at one time they had their reply letter accessible for all to read (although, it was in modern English not 1611 which may be detrimental to their case..what do you think?)
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
     

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