Baptism. Is it necessary for the forgivness of sins ?

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  1. following-Him

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    According to Acts 2:38 and 22:16 have now got me confused. I understood baptism to be a command of Jesus and a public declaration of faith.

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  2. Daniel David

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    Your understanding is correct Sheila. Many Christians try to pass baptism off as some near-meaningless time. ALL CHRISTIANS MUST BE BAPTIZED. It doesn't nullify justification if it isn't done. However, I wonder about the salvation of those who refuse to be baptized.
     
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    "for the remission of sins" in Acts 2:38 could be better read "because".

    Baptism is an act done in obedience and as a result of a clear conscious towards God.

    The same is true of Acts 22:16. Baptism is always emblematic of the washing away of sins or of purifying the heart. It is not to be taken as the literal mechanism by which sins are removed. That is and has forever been by grace through faith.
     
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    Me, too. Jesus wasn't baptized for the forgiveness of sins.

    Matt 3:15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness.

    Matt 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

    Jesus did it and told us to do it. 'nuff said. [​IMG]
     
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    Baptism. Is it necessary for the forgivness of sins ?

    No.
     
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    Baptisim is in no way connected with the forgiveness of sins.
    Acts 2:38 is not about being saved. Peter just told them that they had killed their Saviour. They asked what shall we do?

    Acts 16:27 And the keeper of the prison awaking out of his sleep, and seeing the prison doors open, he drew out his sword, and would have killed himself, supposing that the prisoners had been fled.
    28 But Paul cried with a loud voice, saying, Do thyself no harm: for we are all here.
    29 Then he called for a light, and sprang in, and came trembling, and fell down before Paul and Silas,
    30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
    31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

    No baptism

    Acts 10:27 And the keeper of the prison awaking out of his sleep, and seeing the prison doors open, he drew out his sword, and would have killed himself, supposing that the prisoners had been fled.
    28 But Paul cried with a loud voice, saying, Do thyself no harm: for we are all here.
    29 Then he called for a light, and sprang in, and came trembling, and fell down before Paul and Silas,
    30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
    31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

    No baptism.

    John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

    no baptism.

    1 Cor.15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
    2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
    3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
    4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

    no baptism

    1 John 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

    Baptism has nothing to do with being saved. If it does then every catholic is saved because they are baptised as babies.

    Baptism is a public display of your faith in the death burial and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ.

    For more info on this topic and others lie it there is much free info at biblebelievers.com
     
  7. Matt Black

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    I think Frankie Howerd would have answered your question "Nay, nay and thrice nay,madam", Sheila, and I can do no better than that!

    Yours in Christ

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  8. Johnv

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    Good observation. Baptism is an outward sign that we accept God's forgiveness of our sins. It is not done "to" get our sins forgiven. Still, I think we tend to put too much emphasis on Baptism. It should be done, but it should not be a litmus test.
     
  9. following-Him

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    Hello,

    I thought you might like to know that I had a reply from the pastor in question. Obviously we do not agree regarding Baptism.
    Just thought you might like to know,

    Blessings

    Sheila
     
  10. Preacher Ron

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    I totally agree with you 100% !
     
  11. amixedupmom

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    I've never met a Christian who has refused to be Baptized. Do they? And, Baptism is a step of faith and obedience. It is not required for salvation but it's a partner to it.

    It's like you CAN walk out on ice without shoes and only with socks. But, would you want to?

    I know weird analogy [​IMG]

    God Bless
     
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    :confused:

    Is that what the NT teaches? We ought to put as much emphasis on baptism as does the NT, don't you think. And it is a "litmus test." IMHO [​IMG]
     
  13. Michael52

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    No!

    Should every "believer" be baptised?

    Absolutely! (unless there is some extenuating circumstance like death, the second coming, etc)
     
  14. amixedupmom

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    this is correct. It is a step of obedience after salvation. That's it. It's sole purpose is to signify that you have been born again. Dipped in the blood of the lamb and been washed clean of sin.
     
  15. following-Him

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    Apparently, the person I am in contact with who claims baptism is necessary for the forgivness of sins is with the Church of Christ.

    That would explain a lot.

    Blessings

    Sheila
     
  16. Charles Meadows

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    I'll have to agree that baptism cannot be considered necessary for forgiveness of sins. It IS a step of obedience and a sign of our death with Christ.

    Even though it involves agreeing with Daniel David ( ;) ) I'll concur that no true Christian would refuse baptism!

    If we insist that somehow baptism itself confers grace we border on catholic sacramentalism! God alone confers grace!

    PS: what about the thief in Lk 23:42?
     
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    Charles,

    I did mention about the thief on the cross to David Garner and this was his reply:

    Blessings

    Sheila
     
  18. Southern

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    I would like to recommend two books dealing with this subject where all the relevant texts used by those who teach Baptismal Remission are explained Biblically:

    "Campbellism: It's History and Heresies" by Bob L. Ross.

    "Acts 2:38 and Baptismal Remission" (I think thats the name!) by Bob L. Ross

    These are from Pilgrim Publications
    Just go to google.com and search for "Pilgrim Publications".
     

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