Baptist? OSAS? pretrib or post-trib?

Hillclimber: //I am perplexed at the inclusion of Baptist
in the equation. Does this mean, we must be Baptists? //

This is a Baptist Board (BB). I know there are
non-Baptists on this board, but still most participants on
the Other Religion Debate Forum are still Baptists.
I thought that might tell me more than other dividers, and it does.

As of 8PM CST there are 36 votes in:
8 didn't vote Baptist/non-Baptist
but there are 25 Baptist voters and 3 non-Baptist
voters. All three of these non-Baptists are non-OSAS
and post-trib -- there are no other kinds of
non-Baptists I happened to have talked to all three of
them in previous discussions -- all three are now or
have been in the past (one's area of interest might change
from year to year ) very outspoken.

The 25 Baptist aren't as outspoken (on OSAS and/or x-trib
rapture2 issues) as are the non-Baptists that voted.

There are 3 groups of Baptists as percentage of the Baptists:

75% - OSAS & pretrib rapture2
16% - OSAS & post-trib rapture2
09% - non-OSAS & post-trib rapture2
So that makes a 78% to 22% split among OSAS Baptists
and non-OSAS Baptists - pretty close to 3/4 to 1/4 split.
So that makes a 3/4 to 1/4 split among pretrib Baptists
and post-trib Baptists.

Here is my problem: I know to much about Torture.
If credit were given for personal studies, I'd have
half a Masters in Torture & Martyrdom.
(My other ½-Masters are in:
1. (self-choice Major) Futurism
2. Secondary Guidance
3. Comparative Religions: RCC, Mormons, SDA,

I've studied the stats on Torture - Research having
been done by the scum of the earth:
1. 2/3 of All Christian Martyrs were produced
in the 20th Century (1901-2000)
2. Christians killed more non-Christian martyrs
than the non-Christians killed Christians
(Pagans, Muslims, & Jews are still unhappy
with Christians about this.)
3. 3 out of 1,000,000 people can control their
heart well enough to kill themselves
4. the other 999,997 will give in to ANY
demand - especially easy ones like
'deny xxx'
5. the majority of Christian Martyrs were
political martyrs
6. the majority of Christian Martyrs
denied Christ before Martyrdom,
if asked (political prosecutors could
care less, you agree with them about
whatever they want 99.9997% of the time
(But their average press was they
were faithful to the end).
7. A mean person can get 90% of people to
sign their agreement in 24 hours,
99% in 48 hours, 99.9% in 72 hours,
Anybody that survives 72 hours - the
torturers will gang up on them,
only 3 will not agree with the mean person.
8. When people lived off the land (Like in 1400AD) in
the 48 together states - the land could
only support one million of them - maybe one million
and a half. There are 6 million Americans
trained in wilderness survival. I don't think
wilderness survival will work.
9. The average employment time of a torturer is two years.
After that, they become the tortured. Nobody in their
right mind will become a torturer.
10. Oh yes, the favorite ploy of torturers is to
let the tortured torture each other - a person
can AIDS from all that blood.
11. Many (maybe 40%) of Christian Martyrs
were killed after they recanted. They are (according
to OSAS) still Christian Martyrs.
12. The first lie most (65%) tortured hear is "if you
do (or sign) thus or so - you will live". LIE - you are
going to die. Smart torturers don't leave witnesses.)
13. Good people don't make 'good' torturers;
Evil people make 'good' tortures.

I sure hope OSAS & pretrib rapture2 are right.
My God does not give finals that one cannot pass.
Notice the terms "Tribulation Period" and
"Great Tribulation Period" not "Sunday
School Picnic".

Being 'Faithful to the End' means until you
start being tortured.

 

Be assured: "the term "non-Baptist" means not belonging to a conventional Baptist theology".

I don't every remember using 'non-Baptist' to mean 'not-Baptised.
There is a term for non-Baptised - the term: "non-Baptised".

 

It actually isn't that simple.

For example:
Some say they don't believe in Denominations and won't
subscribe to any denominational theories. Unfortunately
NO DENOMINATION is another denomination.
(There is also a denomination called 'non-nondenominational'
which is the ignorance & apathy denomination:
'I don't know and I don't care'.)

Others say they don't believe in millennial/Second Coming
relationship and won't
subscribe to any x-mill theories. Unfortunately no
millennial/Second Coming relationship is
a millennial/Second Coming relationship.
The three standard millennial/Second Coming
relationships are:

1. a-millennial - the Millennial reign of Christ is to be
spiritually discerned, not physically.
(Two subgroups divide according to
if the Second Coming of Christ is to be
spiritually discerned ONLY or has spiritual + physical
parameters)

2. post-millennial - Christ comes again to
take to rule when the Millennial Kingdom has
already happened.

3. pre-millennial *the RIGHT theory * -
Jesus comes the Second time to earth to set
up the Millennial Messianic Kingdom.

(There should also be an x-mill position
called 'non-mill'
which is the ignorance & apathy x-mill position:
'I don't know and I don't care'.
In fact, I found a name "x/as in 'unknown'/- mill".
Yep, the infamous x-mill position.)
Mathematically speaking even the number
'0' /zero, zilch, Nada, nothing, empty set, etc./
is a number).

 

IMHO (in my humble opinion): 'non-Denominational' means
'I'm not telling you up front that I'm a Baptist*'

(Ed notes that Assembly of God /AoG/ are pentacostal
Baptists)

 

BobRyan said:
//Actually the Biblically accurate one is not listed.

//1. REAL 1000years
2. REAL FIRSt resurrtection being the FIRST and starting the 1000 year timeline just as Rev 20 says.
3. REAL rapture and resurrection of the church (1thess 4) that is seen by John in Rev 20 and Paul in 1Thess 4 as "The FIRST resurrection" where the "dead in Christ rise FIRST".
4. The Church really in heaven - with Christ in heaven for a real 1000 years.//

Actually, I did describe that.
What I said was totally uncontraversial information.

The Bolded part below describes what you described:

Ed said:
//The three standard millennial/Second Coming
relationships are:

1. a-millennial - the Millennial reign of Christ is to be
spiritually discerned, not physically.
(Two subgroups divide according to
if the Second Coming of Christ is to be
spiritually discerned ONLY or has spiritual + physical
parameters)//

As always, I quit using REAL & use Physical.
Physical is the opposite of Spiritual
REAL is the opposite of UNREAL /I.e. not the opposite
of spiritual/

There are two directions to get to 'post-trib'
One path to post-trib only rapture2 comes
from a-mill -- which is what Bro. BobRyan said.
A second path is from pre-mill too post-trib.

The x-mill [where x = pre, post, or a- (not) ] position relates
the Second Coming of Jesus to the Millennial Messanic Kingdom.

pre-mill means:
the Second Coming of Jesus before
the Millennial Messanic Kingdom

post-mill means:
the Millennial Messanic Kingdom before
the Second Coming of Jesus

a- mill, with the prefix 'a-', meaning NOT
(as in athiest no-theo [God]) meaning one
cannot relate the
the Millennial Messanic Kingdom and the
the Second Coming of Jesus
Because one or both are Spiritual

Both pre-mill and a-mill can lead to
a post-tribulation only rapture2 theory.

Here is my favorite fururist, pre-mill, pre-trib magazine:

PROPHECY IN THE NEWS
( http://prophecyinthenews.com , 2007 )

The November 2007 copy has an article on
page 36-37:
Early Views on Prophecy (Part 4)
Justin Martyr on Christ's
Reign of a Thousand Years

//gotta go, quote to follow ... //

 

10-year-old girl's horse lessons trump Bible Studies :godisgood:

Here is my favorite fururist, pre-mill, pre-trib magazine:

PROPHECY IN THE NEWS
( http://prophecyinthenews.com , 2007 )

The November 2007 copy has an article on
page 36-37:
Early Views on Prophecy (Part 4)
Justin Martyr on Christ's
Reign of a Thousand Years

From page 37 (my numbers on 'rapture' &
'resurrection'):

// And though the Bible is not specific, it is
natural to think that another physical translation
(rapture1 & resurrection1) of the converted
kingdom believers should occur at the close of
Christ's earthly kingdom. //

Of course, this would be part of the
first type of resurrection2 - the resurrection2
of the just (in Christ is the only way to be Just).
(Not to be confused with the resurrection3
of the unjust /No Jesus - no just/ )