Baptists and protistants

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  1. don 3426

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    Are Baptists Protistants because I have talked to maney church leaders and they have told me baptists or at least southern baptists are separate from protistants. And i have filled out aplications asking about faith and they have choices of Catholic, protistant and then a separate choice for baptist.
     
  2. Littledrummerboy

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    Don,

    In the loosest use of the term, any western church not Catholic is Protestant. Some Baptists do not like the term because they believe they are the original NT church, but that is anachronistic. If anyone is being honest with themselves, if you are a western Christian, and not Catholic, you are Protestant.

    Pax Christi,

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    Then why do baptists disagree with both catholics and protostants and everybody else generaly puts things before scripture. and if baptist believe what Gods word is and Gods word only than we are first because major jewish religion does not believe in salvation(the hole new testament)
     
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    Don,

    I am not sure where you got that from, but yes, Orthodox Jews do believe in the need for salvation. There is much Jewish apocalyptic literature that speaks about such things. The original Christians did not call themselves as such, and niether did the Romans. They were considered Jews, and I think it is a legitimate claim that Christians are the fruition of the Jewish faith...that being said, for all practical purposes, it is a misnomer to call ourselves that now because of centuries of calling ourselves Christians. Your remarks about knowing what God's word is, and thus making you "first," (whatever that means) is a bit confusing to me.

    Pax Christi,

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    watch out don he's trying to convert you!
     
  6. don 3426

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    A christian should go by scripture and scripture alone anything contrary such as (predestination, pergatory as in the type to help pay penance, tradishons, or taking out the new testament)is the one thing that separate baptists from protistants and catholics, so going on scripture and pastors words baptists arent protestants.
     
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    Psalm,

    I assure you I am trying to convert no one, butI am attempting a fruitfull dialogue.

    Don,

    Many would say the list you gave are not unbiblical at all. But that is really beside the point. Call yourself what you will, but the definition of a Protestant is what it is: Any Western Christian not affiliated with the Catholic church. You can call yourself whatever you please, but you should be aware of what the rest of the world will call you, and be prepared to except it.

    Pax Christi,

    Stephen
     
  8. Ben W

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    Yes Baptists are Protestant, they broke away from the Episcopal Church and remain in the Protestant tradition.

    Protest-ant

    In Protest against Catholiscm. The Reformed movement is largely Presbyterian based.
     
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    No, Baptists have never been Protestants. And they never broke away from the Episcopal Church. Who would have been their leader then, and what would have been the year??
    Baptists cannot point to a founder because they don't have one (as Lutherans who have Luther).
    Baptists have existed throughout every age since the Apostles (though called by dfferent names at times). God has never left himself without a witness. There have always been local churches adhering to Baptist principles in every age since the Apostles. There is no founder of the Baptists. (unless you count Christ and the Apostles).
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  10. Ben W

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    The first founder of a Baptist church was John Smyth who was an Episcopal (Anglican) Vicar. His church was founded in 1608

    Early Baptist writers wrote very strongly against the idea of "Successionism" throughout the ages of Baptists denying the idea. There were no Baptists "throughout the ages" as much as we might like to believe that is the case.

    The Protestant reformers were Luther and Zwingli, Baptists followed in later centuries.

    http://www.reformedreader.org/btimline.htm

    http://www.reformedreader.org/history/pbh.htm#helways
     
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    gee.. I actually agree with DHK on something..

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    and Ben.. it really has nothing to do with
    "Successionism". It is merely a statement that there
    have always been groups that did not follow the
    Catholic church. and that many of them held various
    baptistic doctrines.

    mark
     
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    Baptists disagree with each other as well; the old saying: "ask two Baptists and you'll get three answers"!

    Yours in Christ

    Matt
     
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    There may have always been groups outside the apostolic catholic (little "c") Church, but I'm not too sure Baptists should be to eager to claim them as "baptistic". Most of these groups were heretics. At any rate, the first "baptistic" (in the sense of the word that Trail-of-Blood types use) churches didn't originate until the time of the Reformation. Anyone that tells you otherwise is not being honest about the historical facts.
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    Wrong. There have always been baptist churches. The kind of churches Paul wrote letters to, before the Roman church claimed authority. There were always true, New Testament Churches. We will be here until the Lord brings us home. Like it or not, you cannot deny the existance of Baptist churches, way before any pope.
     
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    And your evidence for this assertion is....?

    Yours in Christ

    Matt
     
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    I always thought the Baptists took their name from the fact that we are supposed to be baptised in water, and so their name meant "church that Baptises in water". But then that's just me.

    If that is true though, then they would have been around since John the Baptist.

    I have a feeling that they were a lot different then than now though!!

    Peace,

    Tam
     
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    The Bible. The RCC mass in no way resembles any of the New Testament sermons I have read.

    And if Jesus gave Peter the keys, and you guys are responsible for continuing Christ's work on Earth, why aren't you speaking out on the idolatry going on in Mexico ?
     
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    Echoing Matt's question, I ask you for your evidence. And, no, reading back your novel "baptistic" interpretations into the Bible and then deducing the existence of churches that match such doctrinal interpretations doesn't count as evidence.

    Like it or not, there is no actual historical evidence for Baptist churches (anachronistic Biblical interpretations aside) in the first 1500 years of Church History, and, no, I'm not a papist.
     
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    When you speak of a NT church, which one are you referring to? There are 7 mentioned in Rev.

    [ December 16, 2004, 10:27 AM: Message edited by: gb93433 ]
     
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    Probably the same reason you are not speaking out against the abuses among Baptists. Where were you when I needed help in an SBC church I pastored where the deacons treated the Mormons as christians even after I explained to them Mormons are not believers? Where were you when the BFA was in the national news?

    Why are you not speaking out against the idolatry among Baptists who post pictures and name names of their large givers at its universities and colleges? Why are buildings on seminary campuses and universities named after Baptists?

    You seemed to have forgotten why the southern and northern baptists separated? Ever heard those kind of sermons? They were popular then.
     

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