Barack Obama: "A More Perfect Union"

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  1. KenH

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    Here is a link to both the video and text of U.S. Senator Obama's speech from earlier today:

    http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/hisownwords/


    I am more convinced than ever that this is the person that we need as the next president of these United States. :thumbs:
     
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    Obama fully justified my feelings today. He admitted to knowing about Wright's hate. Am I just supposed to let that lie slide by ?

    His pastor hates America, his wife hates America, not too far for me to reach that he hates America.

    He also seems to have a very low opinion of the average intelligence of Americans. We're not that gullible.
     
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    Thank you for this link. I was working and unable to hear this speech, but I will listen to it later.

    Even without listening to this, I also feel that Obama is the right person at the right time to be president of "these" United States. I would still vote for Hillary Clinton if she wins the democratic nomination, but I surely hope Obama wins.
     
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    My sentiments are the same as yours, my friend. :thumbs:
     
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    I have a question for everyone who watched or heard Obama's speech.

    Since when is Wright, Obama's former pastor?

    I would also like to point out the never ending contradictions his speech was full of.
     
  6. KenH

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    I didn't listen to the speech, but read it online earlier today. I see no contradictions, but his forthrightly and unashamedly addressing the sensitive issue of race relations in America. He did so from both sides, commenting on the fears and feelings of whites and blacks.

    What is troubling is that the divisive Democratic primary races could leave both Obama and Clinton damaged. If Clinton wins, I will hold my nose and vote for her, but Senator Obama is my first choice now that former Senator Edwards is not a contender. While I respect Senator McCain's service and sacrifice, I will not vote for a man whose vision of vitory in Iraq is a 100 year occupation army.
     
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    Senator Obama may be the greatest African-American since Martin Luther King, Jr.

    I am proud, very proud, to call myself a supporter of his. His speech showed the potential of what is possible in America if saner heads prevail and we push to the periphery those who wish to keep us divided - on the right and the left.
     
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    Come on now, let's not get crazy.
     
  11. Pastor Larry

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    Isn't this a public admission that you have no guiding principles?

    It wasn't all that long ago that you said this:
    And you said:
    Then there was this:
    Here was a good one:
    And those are just from a simple search where "vote" and "democratic" appear in the same post. It doesn't even scratch the surface of the posts where you blasted those who would vote for a major party candidate instead of a thirdparty, since both parties were the same and would further the socialist agenda. It doesn't even begin to include the posts where you blasted those who would vote for the lesser of two evils and still elect evil. Ironic that you are now proclaiming that you will vote for the greater of two evils who will entrench abortion for years to come with his selections to SCOTUS.

    What we are seeing is what we have seen before: You are unstable and double-minded. You have switched your position so many times it is dizzying. You are unreliable and your word means nothing.

    The fact that you would vote for Obama says a lot about your low standard for politics and Christian involvement. And it is sad.

    Here's the bright side for you: With 8 months until the election, you still have time to change your mind four or five times.
     
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    How is this relevant to McCain?
     
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    Absolutely incredible ... mind-boggling ... befuddling.
     
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    It shows that Ken has the ability to evaluate things based on new evidence and is not tied to old opinions when new information and analysis takes place.
     
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    Great post Larry. Many of us around here have been pointing this out, thanks for providing a small sampling of the flip-flops.
     
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    I guess that's one way to spin it. To those with common sense, it shows that either 1) he doesn't think through things very well to begin with, or 2) he has no guiding principles. Take your pick. Either way, it's not flattering and it is a sign of a double-minded man.

    You know, if he did this once, that would be one thing. But he does it over and over again. Which can bring only pitiable laughter.
     
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    Sorry, Pastor Larry, but in the final analysis I find that I cannot sit by and do nothing to see Senator McCain defeated. Voting for a minor party candidate will not accomplish this goal.

    There is also the matter of having learned that on civil liberties and foreign policy that Seanator Obama's views are in at least the same ballpark as that of the candidate I supported and voted for in the GOP presidential primary - Congressman Ron Paul.

    “If you never change your mind, why have one?” - Edward de Bono

    I am flattered that so many of these threads end up being discussions about me but, please, this may go to my head and I could become insufferable. :laugh:
     
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    This has not been "pointed out." It has been beaten to death. KenH has the ability to change his mind when he considers new evidence and the fortitude to unabashedly state his views. You, Pastor Larry, or anybody else doesn't have to agree with him, but I don't think it is Christian to continue to belittle him over it.
     
  19. KenH

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    I also want to state that I have found liberals and Democrats to be much more welcoming to me in my support of Senator Obama than I did conservatives and Republicans in my support of Congressman Paul.

    Frankly, I find myself becoming rather comfortable among liberals and Democrats. I have even subscribed to the premium content of Air America so that I can listen to talk shows other than what I can listen to locally(Laura Ingraham, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Rusty Humphries). I especially like the Rachel Maddow Show.

    Since I was a Democrat in my early voting years(even got elected as president of Young Democrats in college) maybe I am simply returning to my roots. :)

    "Oh, but anyway, Toto, we're home. Home!" - Dorothy in "The Wizard of Oz".

    Now maybe you folks have read enough about me and we can redirect this back on topic.
     
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    Funny thing is, that's the exact argument you rejected when it was made about defeating a democrat. Yet evidence again that you have no guiding principles and you don't think seriously about issues and arguments. You cannot legitimately reject an argument and then accept it unless you are going to admit you were wrong before. You were aghast that anyone would vote for one of the two major party candidates and further strengthen their grip on the country. You belittled those who said that any Republican is better than any Democrat because with a Republican there is a better chance at least of having a better SCOTUS nominee. And now look at you ... And perhaps the worst thing is that you don't have enough common sense to simply shut up and not let people know you are doing this. Most people in your state would simply stop talking and fade away into the woodwork. You broadcast your instability and lack of thinking through issues for all to see.

    Hardly. I can't imagine that this is serious. The only things these two have in common is that they both like earmarks while complaining about too much spending and they both don't like the war in Iraq. At least Paul's opposition was principled. Obama's was political. He took a stand that cost him nothing, knowing that he was going to run for President and casting all his eggs in the basket of being against the war and hoping the war didn't succeed so he could say he was against it all along. That type of politician is bad for our country.

    If you change it all the time, you are showing that you don't use it.

    You already are insufferable and this is not in the least flattering. When you railed against those who saw things differently than you, and blasted them for voting for the "lesser of two evils" to defeat the greater of two evils, you lost the little moral high ground you had. You were more believable when you said you would vote third party no matter what. That was a statement of character (misguided as it was then, and you even admit that now). You are buying the very argument you rejected then.

    This is a revelation of the lack of character and will to do what is right. Voting for a person that will further entrench abortion leading the slaughter of untold babies is inexcusable when there is a better option. Your civil rights are not that important.
     

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