Barack Obama and Infanticide in Illinois

At least one poster blames Republicans for all the slaughter. Somehow that justifies, in his mind, voting for a ticket that is fully supportive of continued abortions and infanticide over a ticket against these atrocities.

Another poster often gives 3 reasons for his pro-choice vote:
1. his vote "doesn't matter anyway" (a self-fulfilling prophecy)
2. "no one is innocent" (no justification to kill babies for convenience)
3. it's not the "only issue" (as if there were any issue even remotely as important as stopping the holocaust we are empowering with a pro-abortion vote).

It really seems like every previous election: the party in power is blamed for every pain, dissatisfaction, and discomfort of the American people, and so a chance for "change" some-change-any-change must be taken at all costs. We seem so over-sensitive to our own pain and so callous to the pain of others.

 

Explosive Audio Found Obama arguing against BAIPA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypDwNpgIUQc

 

Looks like it was taken down. Do you think it was real? What did it say?

 

The title of this thread is scary for a Christian forum. People using google might find this as a hit and come to see what the Christians are discussing. But like Obama said, I can take 4 more weeks of these attacks but I can't take 4 more years of McCain/Bush failed policies.

 

But apparently you can take four more years of infanticide.

 

What is being discussed here that you would wish to hide?

Besides "Christians" who are willing to vote for pro-abortion pro-baby-killing Obama?

 

I agree the title of this thread is scary. Sadly, sometimes the truth is a scary thing and Christians need to be aware of the scary awful truth before they go vote for this evil.

 

Hey no need shooting at me, I just feel if you stop looking through a glass goblet you will find many, many more than one injustice.

 

Are you suggesting or saying that McCain will in his first term put an end to abortion?

Neither party is going to stop it... one might slow it or at the very least say they will slow it... but neither party in the first or second term will end abortion. Doesn't that make them similar in ideas? Peas of a pod...

 

You do not know that it will be stopped. Your statement is just a lousy excuse by many to vote against their conscience. It is ore that just foreseeing the outcome of the McCain admin on this issue. It is also about voting for a man that is clearly in unlimited support of this holocaust. That in and of itself is immoral and should be criminal.

 

You don't know that he will. And banking the entire countries future on the outside chance that after all these republican leaders who promised they would end abortion is what he hopes you'll go for. Like I said before, all a candidate needs is an, "I'm pro-life" bumper stickers and they got most of your votes. This is crazy...

 

This doesn't make sense, can you explain this statement?

I am voting with my conscience, I am not voting for either McCain or Obama, they are just peas in a pod.

Your statement is just as as lousy excuse to vote for McCain.. You don't know what he will or won't do, you only know what he says he will or won't do. He has been in the Senate a while now.. I don't know as I haven't looked it up but has he EVER introduced a bill to completely ban abortion?

No, not voting for McCain isn't a statement saying I am voting for Obama.. The two don't go hand in hand, I like everyone else have other choices..

Too often people like yourself want other to believe that if you don't vote for the "right" guy then you're voting wrong.. There is no such thing as a wrong or wasted vote.

Nice try at spinning away from my question... care to answer it now?

Are you suggesting or saying that McCain will in his first term put an end to abortion?

 

I have already cast my absentee ballot for Baldwin. Does that address your concern?

 

But the thread is on Obama and infanticide. He voted against saving lives of babies OUTSIDE of the womb. Can we get a grip on that reality or is it so abhorrent it will not sink in to the hearts and minds of those who support him? How can this be? What kind of society allows this type of horror?:tear:

 

I wish John McCain would confront him on this on the next debate.

 

LE, surely you know by now that Senator McCain is not going to push social issues, especially with the world financial system on the verge of collapse.

 

Those who would not vote for Obama because he is pro-choice is already not voting for Obama because he is pro-choice. What would he gain by bringing this up in the debate. Also remember the feminist movement is primarily pro-choice so he would only be further alienating himself.

like Ken said, he would do good to let this sleeping dog lie where he lays but if he wants to being it up then so be it. I don't see how he could benefit.

 

I agree with Lady Eagle, McCain should push it, and then when in office actually do something about it. I think Bush has ignored the issue while he has been in office. I know he opposes any liberal legislation to broaden abortion, but other than the partial birth ban, I havent heard a whole lot about the issue from him.

I know that I have been one of the main ones defending Bush on this issue, but as I look over the archives in the news over the last 8 years, I havent seen him say much. Even if his hands are tied as a president to actually reverse RvW, he should at least be crusading for reversal. And why does Laura Bush make such an issue about education, and never speaks on abortion?

I believe that Bush's avoidance of this issue is a major reason that many christians are ignoring it as a legitimate issue in this campaign. McCain needs to bring it up, and he needs to tell us what he will do to stop it, or at least curtail it. Maybe if he did, then alot of christians wouldnt be voting for Obama.

AJ

 

I doubt it. I don't think that Senator McCain will get more than 43% of the vote nationally regardless of what he says between now and November 4. The Republican brand is a no sale from the top on down in this election.

 

I agree that McCain should bring up abortion, also. But this thread is about infanticide. Perhaps some people who are pro-choice would be repulsed about infanticide if they knew the issue was a real live already born infant, not a "blob of tissue." The issue should be pushed because it is really more important than the economy.