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Discussion in 'Politics' started by Revmitchell, May 12, 2008.
Barack Obama, Islam, Terrorists & Terrorism
I Doubt if there is ANYthing or ANYone who can stop Obama
Impressive report my brother. Trouble is, the liberals that run this nation will get him into office, and I for one see no one being able to stop him. He is receiving demonic assistance in hyping up the crowds. Never in the history of American politics has there been a candidate with such charisma or power of persuasion.
I don't want him as my president, but, I don't see anyone being able to stop him. Even Hillary has toned down her efforts to get the nod. I think she will fade away in the coming weeks.
He is a dangerous man, with an equally dangerous spouse. His friends and acquaintances are dangerous, and the Hollywood liberals have finally found the man that will stomp them into the ground after he's elected. Believe me...Hollywood and the liberal news media will be the first to lose their freedoms when the Jihads take over America.
Obama has a definite plan to change America, end Israel's reign in the mid-east, and usher in a form of Muslim standards through his nominations to his cabinet.
Pastor Paul :type:
It is sad to see you two continue to demonize a man who will likely be a very good president if elected.
You continue to let fear rule you view of the future, how sad.
It's sad that Americans are so easily deceived.
he will not be so good for unborn children. In some cases they are just a unjust punishment to be avoided. He will not be so good for the economy since taxes impede it greatly. But it is interesting to see you gettting worked up into a frenzy over criticism of him. How sad.:tear:
Whats even more sad is christians are so easily decieved. The average american has no spiritual discernment, but christians are supose too. But I guess they don't have to use it.
Liberals don't run this country. The people who really do run it are always happy to hear we still think the liberals do though.
Strange to think that for a corporate state such as ours that has grown fat and prosperous from all the terrorist threats and terrorism that people would get nervous about one of the state's "players" having ties to the golden goose.
And this is probably coming from a person who fears the states current scary "outside threat" so much he'll give the state any power it demands...am I right?
Very amusing and sad at the same time. You could tell some of the photo's where photoshopped.
I keep seeing the charges that he is muslim but I have yet to see proof. Yes, he has a muslin name but I have a catholic name and I'm not catholic. They say his father was a devout muslim yet he married a white athiest. They say he want to a public school yet CNN went to the country and learned it was a public school in a muslim country. None of the faith was taught or practised at this school.
Hard to believe a guy is this deep in to Islam and no one has solid factual proof.
That has to be one of the worst videos I have ever seen posted on a Christian discussion board. Why do we have to keep covering the same tired old ground over and over again? Obama has never been a practicing Muslim. However, even if he had, that would be meaningless. Do we believe in freedom of religion and the constitution only for Christians or for all Americans? I believe in those things for all Americans. Also, the idea that all Muslims are terrorists is simply untrue.
I call on the moderators of this forum to remove this disgrace of a post (ie...the OP). As Christians we are followers of One who is The Way, The TRUTH, and The Life (Jn 14:6). We dare not fall to the world's level for political purposes. We should "take the high road" and stick with the facts. If anyone has to depend on the kind of videos linked to in the OP in order to oppose Obama then please, do us all a favor, and don't vote in November. There are plenty of factual reasons not to vote for Obama (ie...his support of abortion, etc).
What shameless and utterly unChristian rhetoric and innuendo.
If you guys that Jesus would approve of this style of "debate", I suspect you are in for a huge surprise.
The video is a shameless lesson in how rhetoric, fearmongering, and xenophobia work so well.
But when Christians, who are supposed to be building for a different kind of Kingdom, embrace this stuff, I am utterly mystified.
When they showed him with the camel, my eyes rolled so far back into my head, I saw the back of my own skull.
One of the 10 commandments:
You shall not give false testimony against your neighbor
The commandments still apply, you know....
Amen to that! Not only the 10 Commandments, but Proverbs has some very harsh words about those who spread rumors, lies, and such things. Proverbs calls such actions an abomination which the LORD God hates (Prov 6:16-19). As Christians we should be careful to avoid spreading lies and rumors (ie...gossip) for that very reason. We don't want to be guilty of something the LORD hates.
These people should also carefully consider the words of our LORD in the Gospel of Matthew:
"You have heard that it was said, You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy. But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His son to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? For do not even the tax collectors do the same? If you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same? Therefore you are to be perfect, as your Heavenly Father is perfect" -Matthew 5:43-48
 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.
2 Chronicles 7: If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
Since your whole case/theory is based on smoke and mirrors, not facts, I doubt any of those Scriptures apply.
2Chronicles has to do with Israel, not the United States.
Matthew 7 has to do with the Gospel and not politics.
Oh, I see. Only when you want to quote Scripture does it apply to Christians and American politics. :laugh: :laugh:
==The Scriptures I quoted are universal commands/warnings. You quoted a Scripture about the nation of Israel and you quoted another out of context. I don't believe that is anything to laugh about.
Case in point. Read this again with only a couple of words changed.
"Impressive report my brother. Trouble is, the liberals that run this nation will get him into office, and I for one see no one being able to stop him. He is receiving demonic assistance in hyping up the crowds. Never in the history of American politics has there been a candidate with such charisma or power of persuasion.
I don't want him as my president, but, I don't see anyone being able to stop him. Even Humphrey has toned down his efforts to get the nod. I think he will fade away in the coming weeks.
He is a dangerous man, with an equally dangerous spouse. His friends and acquaintances are dangerous, and the Hollywood liberals have finally found the man that will stomp them into the ground after he's elected. Believe me...Hollywood and the liberal news media will be the first to lose their freedoms when the Catholics take over America.
Kennedy has a definite plan to change America, end Israel's reign in the mid-east, and usher in a form of Catholic standards through his nominations to his cabinet."
And, BTW, has there been an amendment giving the President the ability to nominate a cabinet without the Senate's approval?
At least fear mongering is nothing new.
Using your logic then, the 10 Commandments were given to the nation of Israel. Proverbs was written by Solomon, King of Israel. The passage in Matthew was Jesus speaking to the Jews. That is why your faulty logic is laughable. Either Scripture is all universal commands/warnings or it's not. Picking and choosing passages you think to be applicable and dismissing others you think are not is a misuse of the Bible.
2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
Nice try in highjacking the thread. Please get back on topic.
Roger, have you never heard of Executive Orders and Martial Law?
Once again you drag out the strawman "on topic" argument. My reply was very much on topic. I was replying to points YOU made. So, once again, don't try to turn this around. If my reply was off topic, so was yours. The fact that you are a moderator does not change that. I have copies of all of these posts, so I can easily prove that I was only responding to your statements.
As for your statements above, they are totally wrong. I am talking about the context of the verses and what their original meaning was and thus what their meaning is. You can't take a verse that applied to the nation of Israel, a unique situation in history, and apply it to the United States. You can apply it to the church, another unique situation, but you can't apply it to the United States.