Barry Bonds ?

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  1. Tony kelly

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    I am not a baseball fan .But I know there are alot of them on this group .If Bonds breaks Hank's all time home run record .
    What do you think will happen if they find out he was on drugs the last 4 years .Will you consider him the best home run hitter or say yea but .

    The reason I am asking this it came up at work .I was surprised that all the guys young and old said they wouldn;t consider him even if he hit 800 home runs .I know Bonds has always been a great player but ....what happens if anything ,if its all true about the drugs .
     
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    gosh, I didn't know he was even black...but I've only been to A's games, and none of them were with the Giants. I did get two out of two victories over the NY Yankies in my lifetime though!
     
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    How do you "limit" this to Bonds? What about McGWire, Canseco, Sosa, or anyone else about whom there may or may not be a quaestion? The issue is already coming up about McGwire, in the minds of some. McGwire took Androstenedione, which was a perfectly legal substance, although known to convert in the body to to a chemical equivalent of steroids. Now he is being maligned over this. Is there some sort of double standard for Baseball versus Football or some other sport?
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    I already told everyone about Endothyl, and apparent muscle enhance that's perfectly legal for sports players to use....
     
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    FTR, I am not advocating any kind of "drug use", per se. However, I am opposed to any 'after the fact' type of recriminations. Baseball and Congress, among others, are attempting to do a pre-emptive strike by banning 'non-existent substances, in advance? And ban some undefined "Performance enhancing drugs", in the process. What about a diabetic who happens to be good enough to play some professional sport? Insulin injection is banned in some orgs. How is that 'fair'? I happen to be a Type II diabetic, and I've had some circulatory problems. Currently I take some 10 different meds a day, including one to remove fluid. It is known as Lasix. A horse can run on Lasix, but I could not. Is something askew here? Have we gotten into some 'mass hysteria' over some of this?
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  6. Convicted by the Spirit

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    Before Bonds even took Steroids he was a Hall of Fame lock. To me even if he is found to have steroids you can't dismiss all of what he did before the 99 season. Is he the greatest homerun hitter ever? No ... think of what Babe Ruth did, he swung a bat that weighed a ton and he hit homeruns before the HR era. I would love to see how Babe would do in some new cleats, with a new Slugger bat from today.

    While I don't particularly care for Bonds, I don't think he deserves the treatment he is getting today. He is getting everyone's views on Steroids and cheating found in baseball all at the same time. It is amazing to see how he handles most of it. It is very obvious that certain other players in baseball today have used the juice, how come they are not being assaulted? Their numbers fell of the table like a rock after baseball started testing. If Bonds or anyone cheated by using roids I would say they needed to be called out and shown for what they are. But! Baseball will never find one shred of evidence against Bonds or McGwire or Sheffield.
     
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    While there never be no "smoking gun" evidence showing that Bonds took steroids, there is the fact that his own personal trainer has been in trouble for pushing steriods. You going to tell me he was doing that for others and not Bonds? I don't buy it.
     
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    Some fan threw a syringe at Bonds during yesterday's game: STORY

    Would that be "the shot heard round the world?" :D (obscure baseball reference)
     
  9. Convicted by the Spirit

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    I don't buy it either, i don't know one person that does. But if Major League Baseball is going to come out and say that Barry Bonds indeed took Steroids then they better have hard physical proof to what they are saying.
     
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    I would like to say on Mark McGwire. Early in his career back in 1986 as A's. I first saw him. He was not that a big man, have long wave hair. His body was natural. I do not consider that he was actual taking steriod in his early career. Also, I notice his neck in his early career, it was natural.

    During in the late 1990's, I notice his neck and shoulder getting bigger, I can easily see his muscle scattered around his neck. No doubt, obivously, he did take steriod for "cheat" to hit home runs. Once after he hit 70 home runs, the media stressed on him in the follow next year, then he decide to retired immediately. I am no doubt that he fled away from the media and reporters talking on him about steriods.

    Also, I notice many muscle mens are completion each other such as you read in maginaze- "Flex". I can see many muscle men & women's mucles looks bigger and ugly. Obivously, they use steriod for "cheat".

    Cases of young people who took steriods, many were killed. Obivously, steriods are hazardous to people's healthy.

    Does Barry Bond take steriods? Hardly. We can easily see Bond's face looks puffed, probably he did take steriod few years ago. Yet, it is difficult to find the evidence if he actual use it.

    What about Alex Rodriguez- Yankees third basemen? He already hit nearly 400 home runs in his age 30. Many believe that he could break either Bond or Aaron's record before he get retired.

    I do not consider that Alex did use steriod. Because I notice his body is a truly natural muscle and 'normal' player.

    What about Lance Parrish - ex-Detroit Tigers catcher of 1980's? :D He was my favorite player. Few think he did use steriod because of his body show muscle. Well, I don't know if he actual use them.

    I hear that many pitchers use steriods. Why does the media stress on Bond than focus pitchers??? :confused: Probably, I guess pitchers are not popular compare like hitters as Bond.

    Suppose, WHAT IF.... Curt Schillings find test positive that he use steriod, what would we respond on him? Does it bother me.? I don't think so.

    I remember, last year in April, Alan Trammell- ex-Tigers manager warned to his players that they do not taking any kinds of pills or medicine before taking test. One black Tigers player founded positive on steriod. He was MAD on it, he deny use it. I believe him. Because his body is not look muscle to me, he is flat.

    SO..... the point is so many players use different pills, the tests can be deceived that it shows that they use steriod, but not. Pills could be mixed within seem to be identify with steriod. But, it is so DIFFICULT to prove that they did actual taking steriod.

    Would I like to looking forward Bonds to break Aaron's record? Yes. I like Bond. I hope long as his lifetime career record remains if he finds test positive on steriod, and he would be remain as elected to be hall of fame.

    Actually, we know media always tell with full of negatives all the times. That why, media like to make money. Not every media are telling the truth, we know that.

    Oh well. :rolleyes:

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  11. Andy T.

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    Actually, there is "smoking gun" evidence. Bonds admitted to taking the "cream" and the "clear" in the BALCO trial. He just said that he took them unknowingly.
     
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    I too am a Babe fan, but there are two ways he could have gone were he around today. He could have gone the clean and straight route of Nolan Ryan, and hit 1200 homers and 5000 hits, or (more likely), being a street kid and party animal, he could have gone the way of Gooden and Strawberry, and been just one more example of lost potential.
     
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    #25 is my favorite player and I do hope he breaks the home run record. I do however, feel bad for the retired sluggers such as Hank Aaron and Frank Robinson becaue they have gotten or are closed to getting passed on the homer list. I know I would be aggrivated if records I had gotten though natural ability and hard work were blown away by guys who had an unfair advantage.
     

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