Featured Basic question: Are Baptists Protestant?

I am always glad to have a discussion with you even with I think we might disagree, as your posts are always based on a spiritual principle, even if we disagree, and most of all, it is civil. I think the difference between visible and invisible in the Protestant and Catholic models is that Catholics think their chain of churches and its members, constitute the mass of truly saved people. They basically believe they are the one true church, and Protestants and Baptists are on their way to the other place.

Mainline Protestants on the other hand, look at the true church as believers from every denomination, bonded by faith in Jesus Christ, and emphasize a universal church. The connection between true believers is spiritual or invisible.

I am sure there is wording to better explain it. Baptists accomplish the work of the Lord through the local church. This is where the real debate starts. I do think there is a universal church, but it will not be of any significance until end times. We now work through our local churches.

 

Neither.

Anabaptist implies re-baptism.

My parents had me "Christened" in the RCC as a baby.

I was baptised at Tremont Temple Baptist Church.
My wife and I were baptised together.

HankD

 

Way back in the last century, I recall reading a line in a Baptist newspaper [I'm not 100% positive as to which newspaper it was.] this statement:

"They call it the 'invisible church' because you can't see it in the Bible!"

 

:laugh::laugh::laugh:this is the best

 

Yes the best. The universal church becomes the focus at the Second Coming. Now, the local church carries out the work of God. The universal church never held a worship service, administered the Lord's Supper or a baptism, took up an offering, helped the poor, visited the sick, sent out folks to tell others about Jesus, or held a Sunday School. At this point in time, the universal church is a useless entity.

 

No Baptists are not Protestants.

Baptists have historically always protested infant baptism and believed in a regenerated church membership.

There is a trail of blood of those who would refuse to submit to infant baptism long before the Protestant reformation.

We have never been part of the Catholic Church and Baptists have historically been in opposition to state churches: While Martin Luther and John Calvin and many of the other protestant reformers had no problem forcing religion with the sword.

The Trail of Blood is there if you look for it.

I am quite aware of the fact that there have not always been a group with the name "Baptist" but there have always been those who have opposed the state churches and opposed infant baptism, Hence the name Baptist.

 

I basically agree with your post. No, I do not believe we can point to a generation by generation succession like on a family tree to the apostles, but a little common sense proves your point. As Christ promised to preserve the NT church, how was it preserved until the Reformation? Anyone with any discernment and any common sense can come to the conclusion the RCC did not, so who was it? It was autonomous local churches called various names that were of like faith and order of the modern Baptist church. Certainly since the Reformation, preserving the NT church has been helped by the formation of the mainline Protestant churches, but we did not come from the RCC, and are in no way Protestants.

 

Amen Brother.

 

The commonly found reason for disavowing the title "Protestant" is the belief we separated from the Church of England, rather than directly from Rome.

Note one characteristic is we believe in the separation of church and state, thus mirroring separation from the state church of England.

 

The OP seems to share quite a bit with this:

http://www.baptistbasics.org/baptists/b007.php

 

Really. Sheesh d-CON, you could've at least linked to that article to give it the credit it's due in your OP. As is it appears, you 'dressed it up' to make it look like it's your composition.

 

Trail of Blood is bad history, at best.

 

Baptists are not Protestants. Protestant Churches all carry some baggage from the Roman Catholic Religion. If there is anything in Baptist doctrine that is baggage from Roman Catholicism I wish someone would enlighten all who believe as I do.

I will add on caveat. The Freewill Baptist Churches believe that one can be saved and then be not saved!

 

The confusion arises because people fail to take into account that there have been two different kinds of Baptists from almost the beginning, the General Baptists who came out of the Anabaptist movement, and the Particular Baptists who did not but rather came out of British Puritan Independency or Congregationalism. The latter were Protestant, the former not so much.

 

And what of those who were always Baptists...prior to Anabaptists and Particulars?

 

Yes, baptists are protestants. They'll protest anything/everything... LOL

 

In West Virginia, Catholics, Protestants and Baptists are all together in one accord. The tie that binds is that none of them can read, so Bible pictionarys sell like Crum hot cakes.

 

I'd say the above is true.