BB WEIGHT CONTROL PROGRAM

Discussion in '2005 Archive' started by Salty, Dec 19, 2004.

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I am overweight by:

  1. I am underweight by more than 10 lbs

    18.9%
  2. I am within my weight by 10 lbs

    18.9%
  3. 11 - 25

    8.1%
  4. 26 - 40

    13.5%
  5. 41 - 55

    2.7%
  6. 56 - 70

    2.7%
  7. 71 - 85

    5.4%
  8. 86 - 99

    29.7%
  9. 100+

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  1. Salty

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    Many of us Baptists love to eat and eat and eat and eat...in fact we cant have a true fellowing meeting unless there is some food.
    Is it time to take a second look at our "blessings"?
     
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    # 2 Only if a valid medical condition

    Have you ever checked your Body Mass Index? If not, just click on bmi
     
  3. donnA

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    Number 6 I voted other becasue I didn't fully understand the question.
    Number 7 I voted other becasue we have a group but I don't know if it is a support group, it is a weight loss group called First Place, which teaches to put Jesus in first place in our lives to live scripture and commit to healthy eating, so it isn't really a support group, but rather a glorify God in our eating group.
    Number 5 I also voted other becasue I know it has been mentioned but it seemed to me like it meant had a sermon been about glutany, and it hasn't, my preacher focus on how to live scripture, applying it to daily life, not just telling yu what you did wrong, but rather how to live scripture.
    Number 2, no, how we got over weight is the sin, not being over weight. I am currently very over weight, but this way is not the sin, how I ate to get here is the sin, I am currently eating very healthy and healthy portions, but of course am still over weight, it takes along time to get here and even longer to get rid of it.
    There is nothing worng with fellowshipping over a meal, it is not the churches fault people eat too much, we have to be in control of ourselves and learn to eat right. I still eat at church and we even go to buffet resturants, but I have learned how to eat and how much. I ahve to learn to police myself becasue people aren't always around when I eat or want to eat to do it for me.
     
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    I went to that site for the BMI, I really don't need them to tell me I'm overweight. I question whether or not their information is correct, and not having previously looked this type of information up I really don't know, but I did spot some incorret info.Further down the page when it gives you your BMI it has a list of famous people and how they rate on this BMI scale. Lets see, the goverment BMI deems Tom Crusie to be obese, so is Arnold Schwarzenegger and Sylvester Stallone. Over weight was Bush, Nick Cage, and Vin Diesel. Ok, I know this is wrong, they list Johnny Depp as being 5'7" and 190 pounds, you see I'm a superduper die hard Johnny Depp fan, and he is 5'10" 150 pounds,and way too skinny, this I am sure of.
    It seems the purpose of the site is to say, hey the goverment doesn't know everything and BMI (according to goverment standards) is not true.
    I mean really, Brenden Frasier, Bruce Willis, Dr. Phill, Will Smith, Keanu Reeves are all over weight?

    [ December 19, 2004, 03:16 PM: Message edited by: donnA ]
     
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    Not all weight gain is due to gluttony, as most of this poll would imply. Many people who have weight problems are caused by underlying medical conditions, medications, etc. Therefore, I don't believe the poll to be balanced in it's line of questioning, as it has the premise that all overweight people are that way from gluttony. Just my honest opinion.
     
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    I do think your right.

    Another thought I had was the title, weight control(?) which assumes only over weight people, or rather eating right, or glorifying God through food, either of which assumes it is the responsability of all of us not just those over weight to eat right. You do not have to be over weight to not be eating right and healthy, you can be skinny and still not eating healthy. I think the focus might be off here.
     
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    AVL1984, Howdy nieghbor, I agree. I have allways ate way to many sweets, now that I am not able to exercise it has caught up with me! I tried to send you a message got notice your mail is full. Was wondering if the church you go to is in my town, there is one here with the same name.
     
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    Bro. Tony might not get back to you for a day or so. He and his wife bought a new house and are moving this week/ weekend.

    Diane
     
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    I believe that overweight is sometimes caused by sin, but just being overweight is not a sin.

    Let me give a couple of examples. I am of Dutch heritage and as such am tall and slim naturally. It doesn't bother me in the least to tell someone that I'm 5' 10" and weigh 145. I don't do anything to maintain, gain, or lose. This is what I am, it is genetic rather than a reflection of my lifestyle. I rarely overeat, but I do eat just about what I want to eat, including carbs, fats and salt that would probably kill T if he ate that way.

    Now my MIL is a different case. She CARES how much she weighs, watches her diet, is careful not to overeat and she is still overweight. Because heart trouble run in her family and she has begun to show signs of it herself, her weight is even more of a concern. But because overweight runs down both sides of her family and she has a thyroid condition, she finds it very difficult to lose weight no matter what she does. There isn't a sin issue here, again it is genetics and physical difficulties that are at fault.

    Now I also know a woman who is extremely overweight. She doesn't care what she eats, doesn't exercise, does drugs and has 3 children out of wedlock. In this case there is a definate sin issue. But the sin is not being overweight, it is all these other things that she allows to go on in her life. If she took care of the heart issue the weight would probably resolve itself.

    My point is that weight itself is not an issue of sin. It might point to a sin condition, but it might not too.

    As far as gluttony is concerned, I was taught that this word was used in reference to people who ate food until they couldn't eat anymore and then upped it in order to empty their stomachs for another round of food. This was done, I believe at various festivals and feasts and was a greedy wasteful habit.
     
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    God allows the USA to produce more food than its citizens could possibly eat. However, we still have hungry citizens. This is due to both the ineptitude and the new-Age-Liberal philosophy of many of out govt. officials who believe it's more important to send food to Goofoffistan than to feed its own people.

    It's no sin to eat your fill, but we should always THANK GOD for making it available, remembering that in the world to come He will eliminate both food and stomachs.(1 Cor.6:13)
     
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    I agree, sometime weight is heritatery(sp? sorry). But it isn't a license to over eat, some use it that way, on the contrary I've seen poeple from over weight families be as thin as possible. So it has a lot to do with how much food a person eats.
    Glutony is having more then your share, more then you need, such as any over eating on a continueing bases, doesn't matter if they vomit and eat more or not. Don't beleive me visit any buffet and watch people eat what you know is way too much for anyone. And your right, glutony is greed, and it is sin, and casues a person to be over weight.
    Over eating is a choice, over weigth is the conquenses(again sp? sorry) of overeating. And over weight should not be based on a goverment graph, but on where God would have each person be, which may not be the same as the next guy.
    I agree over weight is not sin, but over eating to get over weight is.
     
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    Dear Donna, Yes I can less and loose weight so mine is from over eating. Everyone in my family is over weight, except my daughter. She eats MORE than any of us but is still thin.She went threw test after test when she was growing up to see why.No reason was ever found. This past year something happened, she is 28 years old, she went from 90 pounds to 115. She thinks she very fat because she has had to buy all new clothes and that is a big gain for someone who has been very thin for 27 years.Anyway her weight had NOTHING to do with how much food or what kind of food she ate for 27 years.I know you proberly did not mean " over eating to get over weight is", no 0ne really over eats to get over weight. I do believe I am sinning by over eatting because it is selfish, I am thinking of my own enjoyment, and I could use that money to help someone who does not have enogh food or to any worthy cause for the Lord. Since ALL my life I was rewarded with food from my family it is a real hard struggle, and such a habit and addiction, I do not take the time to think about it before I do it. Please remember all of us with this problem in your prayers!Thank you.
     
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    Being overweight is not the sin. How you got there could be, though.

    Ronnie
     
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    quote:Now I also know a woman who is extremely overweight. She doesn't care what she eats, doesn't exercise, does drugs and has 3 children out of wedlock. In this case there is a definate sin issue. But the sin is not being overweight, it is all these other things that she allows to go on in her life. If she took care of the heart issue the weight would probably resolve itself.

    Dear menageriekeeper, It just is not that easy, there are alot of people includeing myself who have a heart for the Lord but are over eaters. Some are over weight some are not. Do you sin? YES Does it mean your heart is wrong? Please read the post right before this one and remember us in prayer and share anything we can pray about for you. Thank you.
     
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    Dear dianetavegia, Thank you for letting me know about Bro. Tony. Lets all remember him and everyone that is helping him move. It seems everyone arounds me who are moving right now are getting hurt in thier back, sholders, and etc.Thank you
     
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    4 given sinner, what I said, or meant to say was that anyover eating as a habit is sin, and that is how the majority gain so much weight. Being over weight is not the sin, but eating too much is.
    You said you were over weight yourself, having you though of it as being a spiritual stronghold, beleiveing satan's lies?
    And beleive me I am not jumping on anyone, I ahve been over weoght all my life, and have just last year(2003) begun to do something about it, breaking free from a satanic stronghold of beleiveing his lies for 39 years of my life.
     
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    Dear donnA, Thank you for responding.How do you define a spiritual stronghold? What lies do you mean? How many people in our country do not eat to much? I am not being smart,I love you sis and want to make sure I understand what you mean.
     
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    I have two very good friends .Their both 5'9"and weigh 180 .One is very soft and out of shape the other is a national caliber bodybuilder and places very high in bodybuilding contest. He looks like a statue and in fantastic condition .Their BMI is the same .
     
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    4 given sinner, I think you have missed my point. The question was "is being overweight a sin" and "does it mean we are gluttons".

    My example were to show that we don't always have control over our weight and that what someone weighs doesn't always point to sin in thier lives.

    I could be a glutton and noone would know it because I don't gain weight.

    My MIL is certainly not a glutton and she is still overweight.

    For my aquaitance, she is overweight and doesn't care but the weight is not the issue. Her sin is that she is separated from God and is in such delusion in her life that she thinks these things are okay. In her case the weight is just another symptom of the real issue.

    I think that we in this country have bought into two ideas that are just that ideas. The first is that one must be thin to be happy and the second is that the government can create a chart that can tell EVERYONE whether or not thier BMI is correct for them.

    The charts first: They are meant to be used as guides not gospel. They may not apply to everyone in every case.

    Now the second: Thin is in, it is just as much of a fad as tie dye t-shirts. As someone on the thin side of life, I can tell you that being thin is not as much fun as it looks.

    I spent the first thirty years of my life incredibly thin(5'10, 115-120 lbs). I looked anorexic but I wasn't. Along with simply not being able to gain weight no matter what I ate(doctors orders were to eat more high calorie foods and add salt), I was sick all the time and if I bumped into something I was gaurenteed to have a nasty bruise. Then there were the comments about how skinney I was, the wondering if I had some sort of illness or was hiding my anorexia. On top of that was the low blood pressure(reason for the salt) and the hypoglycemia.

    When I became pregnant with my first child the doc told me he hoped I wasn't pregnant because my weight would support a prenancy. Nice, huh?

    My real opinion about people weight is to just let it be. You are the way God made you. As long as you are eating sensibly, keeping fit, your weight isn't preventing you from doing the things you think God expects from you and your doctor considers you healthy, get on with your life and quit worrying.

    I don't think God expects us to be miserable in order to gain someone elses idea of thin. Get your weight to a point where you are happy with it, but don't rely on what someone else tells you is right.
     
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    No, I don't think it's a sin to simply be overweight, especially if one has little control over it. And I'm NOT saying this because I weigh 240 lb. I don't eat any more than most 140 lb.men; I weighed 212 lb. when I graduated HS in'66, left the Navy 4 yrs. later at 220, built myself up to play football to 245-250, & after that was done, I tried to reduce , but could only lose about ten lb. and still get proper nutrition. I don't worry about it since no one's going hungry because I'm eating THEIR share as well as mine.
     

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