Be a Kinder Calvinist

Cool.... you & my little brother are allot alike then JD.....same story down the wire. Interesting that all that vitriol by the other side seems to get people to begin looking in the other direction. Then you guys become far stronger & more resolute Calvinists. Are you aware of the IFB church in Parsippany NJ ....Parsippany Baptist? Alan Brown is the Pastor & he is a Calvinist. You can respond privately if you prefer.

Thanks

 

John has someone mentioned my book?: Humility and How I Attained It.

HankD

 

I promise I will try to be a kinder calvinist.

Cheers,

Jim:sleep:

 

The cautions offered are okay....In calvinistic churches they are repeated.
What happens in here[BB] is more like self defence against verbal assaults, unless someone really wants to discuss the scripture...alot of time is wasted that could be used going over scripture.
keep in mind however that whenever a person levels an accuasation against someone...ie, you are rude, arrogant, etc ... this happened to Luke alot
if you go back and read the threads, Luke was just trying to get people to answer his responses most of the time, or when he offered scriptural truth he was attacked as being, rude, proud etc...
Everyone gets over heated sometimes and produce more heat than light....
better to stick with the verses, than the emotions:thumbsup:

 

Could I suggest that, "Some Calvinists have even coined...." would be better, and "A few Calvinists have even coined...." more accurate yet. Until this thread, I had never even heard the term. I have just done a Google search for "Cage stage Calvinism", and it brought up a mere 46 results. (Compare that with the 26,000 hits for Bryher, a tiny island in the Scilly Isles off the south west coast of England with a population of about 100!)

The idea that all, or even most Calvinists use that phrase, or even believe in the principle it implies, is just wrong.

 

Wow. this seems unnecessary.

 

A best seller in the humble/self help category! :laugh:

 

I had never heard of it either until now, but Google brings up 844,000 hits with "cage stage Calvinism" (no quotes). Here's a tongue in cheek definition that's kind of funny (don't know if the author is a Calvinisty or not): http://thin-edge.org/2007/12/09/defining-the-cage-stage-of-calvinism/

 

Then you should read the full context of the quote vs SOUND biting it.:laugh:

 

All you would have had to do is some editing in other words replace Calvinist with Fundamentalist & the same text would have applied to my little brother.:laugh:

 

Thanks John. Enjoyed the tongue-in-cheek!

Re the much larger number of "hits" when you search without using quotation marks, I found that a fair number of those were sites that just happened to contain the three words somewhere, and not necessarily together. For instance, the site that includes the following three widely separated sentences:

1. general

R. A. Cage (ed.),

The Scots Abroad: Labour, Capital, Enterprise, 1750–1914(London,1985).

2. At a later stage, both sides were keen to present the struggles of the sixth and seventh centuries as a monolithic ethnic conflict, a ‘cowboys and Indians’ fight to the death

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3. They also tended to be stricter and more evangelical in their Calvinism, more stridently whiggish, and less tolerant of Roman Catholics and Episcopalians.​

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Hmm. Good point. When I put the words in quotes I'm down to 3010 hits on Google. But then with "cage stage" in quotes but "Calvinism" not, I'm back up to 844,000. But who knows how much of that is just coincidence.

Anyway, I'm enjoying surfing with you!

 

I trust your brother will grow out of that stage, just as many other Fundamentalists I know have.

Here's the deal. In my experience the original belief doesn't matter. Idt could be someone coming out of Fundamentalism, Calvinism, Arminianism, evangelicalism (into Fundamentalism) or any other strongly held belief. When they come out, there is a "cage stage" where they are extremely critical of their previous group.

Fundamentalists have our share of "cage stagers," just as do all of the other groups. I have a relative I admired very much who left Fundamentalism when he was a pastor well up in years. I was extremely shocked when he and his wife used a very crude phrase to describe someone who had been a very close friend but stayed in when they "came out." Cage stagers.

As followers of Jesus Christ, we all should walk in love. I say that as a committed Fundamentalist. (I'll say it before you do--"Fundamentalist who should be committed." :tongue3.

 

Ding! (At http://historiasalutis.com/2010/03/09/the-calvinist-cage-stage/)

 

John....I wouldn't go there however every time he comes over the house, I have to stop my wife from loading the shotgun.:laugh:

 

Love it!

Ever read The Sacred Sandwich?

http://sacredsandwich.com/archives/category/dubious_photos

 

BTW, I'm going to suggest that when Luke comes back from his banishment, that he use the moniker "Kinder Calvinist" :laugh: :tonofbricks:

 

I have seen the term fundamentalist tossed about like an old pair of shoes. I grew up and was saved in a "fundamentalist" Church of England.

We fought against the invasion of liberalism up to the 60's and were called "fundamentalists".

When we formed our fellowship, the label rejected "fundamentalist" and we called our group "Evangelical".

The most reliable label is still on my shirt.

Cheers,

Jim

 

I personally like the terms, "Primitive" or " Old School" or even "Orthodox" when trying to distinguish from "Liberal" & now "Apostate" Church movements. Fundamentalist became synonymous with Fanatical & worse derogatory terms (at least from my prospective). I sincerely hope that is changing.:godisgood: