Beer is Proof God Loves Us

Welcome to the Baptist Board.

Personally, I guess I'm not very moderate, when it comes to the consumption of beer. As a farmer, I have a decided knowledge of the odor of cattle urine, and have (and have always had) absolutely zero desire to partake of anything of a similar odor. To me, beer seems to fit in that category.

Ed

 

Trivia: Anyone know what beerput means in Dutch? (Hint: waterput=water well)

 

I got some idea, considering the context of the thread.

Unfortunately, my understanding of the Dutch language has always been KAput.

Ed

 

Already noted that Jesus did drink the "fruit of the vine" which blows the Nazarite idea, but also the drinking of the vinegar was not an effort, it was an accomplished fact. Vinegar is the Greek oxos, which was the cheap sour wine that was a common drink of the Roman soldiers. Note what John says:

So, Jesus did drink the wine!

 

Am I to assume that you never use spices on food?

 

Since He is our teacher, He is showing us how to live the Kingdom life. If Jesus did it, it may well be appropriate for us to do.

Yet we are called to fasting, prayer and times of solitude by His example.

His disciples did it. If the Spirit guides and empowers it, any one of us can be the channel for God to do it again. There are all kinds of reasons I can think of for God not to do it much today, but it is certainly within the realm of possibility.

I do not recall Jesus doing that. I believe that was Paul, a disciple of Jesus. If there is no medical treatment available, we have to leave things like that completely in the hands of God.

Is there no pleasure to be had in the Kingdom of God? God gave us senses not only for informational purposes, but to experience pleasure and pain. You can righteously enjoy good things as well as righteously experience pain.

He was fully human as well as being fully Divine. He experienced exhaustion, joy, pain, etc.

Gluttony is simply selfishly eating beyond healthy moderation.

Do you deliberately make food as unappealing and tasteless as possible in your home?

Like Jesus healing a man's withered hand in front of the Pharisees on the Sabbath to provoke them?

Demonstrating a spiritual truth for the benefit of others is not necessarily prideful.

It is not what we eat or drink that defiles us, but instead, the corrupt nature that is already in us, expressing itself outwardly.

 

Matt. 27:34
they gave him wine to drink mingled with gall: and when he had tasted it, he would not drink.

 

WONDERFUL! You totally ignored the content of my post and failed to account for John 19:29-30 -- NASB "sour wine".


At the beginning of His suffering Jesus did not take the wine mixed with spices and sedatives because He want His mind to be clear for what He was about to say and do. At the end of His suffering He received the "sour wine" for the same reason.


Why all this twisting and turning to avoid the fact that Jesus drank wine? It certainly would have been permitted, especially at this point:

 

Scripture please

 

Sorry, did not qualify more fully. The reasons for rejecting the mixed drink is not stated anywhere in Scripture. The fact that He did receive the "sour wine" IS clearly stated (John 19:29-30).


The reasons are my take on the passage based on the commonly understood effects of the wine mingled with myrhh. You could check out ISBE on that. Not sure where I first read about the reasons, but is was extra-Biblical not in Scripture.

 

LOL thanks Ed

he lays like the old lazy bones
in hopes you will come closer
he is stronger than King Kong and faster than King Cobra
don't be fooled by his lazy act
he was the heavyweight champ once and still knows how to KO lightweights who think they are tough

God bless

 

Back to the ORIGINAL subject of this thread... yes, the founding fathers drank alot. The original pilgrims drank ale, but it was weak, mostly just for killing the bacteria. Water would quickly go bad aboard a transatlantic boat ride, but you would dehydrate quicker than when drinking nothing at all if you only drank what most people consider normal beer, so what they drank is ale that was about 1.5% alcohol.

The founding fathers though, wow. George Washington was known to be able to dance the night away with 4 bottles of wine under his belt, and was the biggest dark beer fan ever. Thomas Jefferson was a home brewer and huge lover of wine. You could type on this subject for a week.

However, there are two notable myths, the first being about Samuel Adams, due to the beer company. Truth be told, the entire Adams family were brewers, but Samuel didn't want to follow in his family's footsteps, he liked politics much better.

Also, the quote of this thread, part of "Beer is living proof that God loves us and wants to see us happy", were never actually muttered by Benjamin Franklin. This was conjured up based on a fairly similar yet totally worded differently statement about wine. Ben didn't like drinking beer, mostly because it cost too much. He was known to hang out in the taverns, being somewhat of a loan shark to other people who were broke but wanted to drink, charging them interest. He did however admit to visiting more than his fair share of brothels and getting jiggy with prostitutes.

 

I think moderation and discretion are essential when one is considering alcohol. If used in the appropriate context, it can be an enjoyable experience. If used outside of the appropriate context, it can create major issues.

 

The gospel according to Molson's....yes, indeed. Why is anything that affects the brain good for you?

Cheers,

Jim

 

I love fried okra. I'm not a big fan of veggies. Try to find the recipe for Colcannon. It has kale in it, but is so good and sweet. Even my 5 year old likes it.

 

I agree. The Adamic nature is still there, and the cause of our struggles ("wrestlings" if you prefer) is that old nature.