Before and After

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by npetreley, Mar 16, 2007.

  1. npetreley

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    The thread on regeneration preceding repentance and faith came to mind while reading this in Ezekiel. Also, the fact that God does all things according to His own purpose and for His own Glory appears here, too.


    Before...

    After...

    And God's motivation....

     
  2. Allan

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    I noticed you left much out.
    First - repentence isn't about being sorry for sin but a a change of mind from sin or a TURNING TO GOD from self-suffiency (sin). Please show where Israel repented in vs 31. It actually states they saw Gods goodness and were brought to shame because of their rebellion (vs 32).
    Second - We know this is a latter prophesy of one almost identical to it in Chapter 11. (almost word for word- see bottom of post) It is here we can see repentence demonstrated, and AFTERWARD they were given a new heart, and new spirit. But to those who did not show the works of repentence but stayed in thier own ways, God would recompence their way upon their heads.

    A big difference however is that in Chapter 11 He does all of this for both His and the Remnant sake (vs 13); whereas Chapter 36 God does this same thing NOW for His names sake alone, since even the remnant will be as all the rest - in sin. However I must say that in reading vs 23 and 24 (specifically 24) one can not help but see a repentence there as they leave their place and positions among the heathen in responce to the Call of God.
    This is exactly what we would describe as Gods calling men and man repenting or turning to God from self and sin. Is that not what the church is - Called out ones.
    And if you will note that in the next verse it states, THEN I will give them a new...

    And as we look at your verse showing what you assume is repentence, we can actaully see there is not repentence going on. However they are acknowledging (in light of God's goodness to them who did not deserve it) just how rebellious they were. They were ashamed at the rebellion they chose. We see this clearly in the next verse:
    Why did you feel the need to take it out of the order it was written and therefore context to try and expound your point of Regeneration before repentence and faith? As far as scripture goes (at least here) and in context, it shows the opposite.
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    This is Chapter 11 and almost a verbatum prophesy of what will transpire.

     
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  3. skypair

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    npeterely,

    There's another feature of that Ezekiel prophecy that you failed to take into account -- regeneration is, for Israel, resurrection to the earthly MK so that faith in Christ comes after they see Him in judgment, Rev 20:4, Mt 19:28.

    These who are resurrected and receive a heart of flesh are the "treasure his in a field" which Jesus found at His first advent and hid and bought the field/earth on the cross in order to recover it.

    I think these and perhaps other studies will help your understanding in applying OT regeneration in NT situations.

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  4. Allan

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    bumpity, bump. :laugh:
     
  5. DQuixote

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    Much of the OP could be applied, descriptively, not doctrinally, to NT Christians, as an example of what happens once Jesus Christ becomes Savior and Lord.
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