Being 100% free of error

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  1. stilllearning

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    Hello everyone.

    I have not been posting for the last few months, because I have simply been too busy:
    (and I still am:)
    So I may not be able to respond to your comments in a timely manner.

    But I have learned something that I wanted to share with all of you.
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    My new ministry has brought me into closer contact with other pastors than I have ever experienced and I praise the Lord for the things I am learning.

    One pastor(a good man), has openly identified himself as a kind of “Baptist brider” and as expected this is the source of some doctrinal error.
    One particular error is that of throwing blankets over groups of people.

    Just as “we” can’t condemn every Catholic individual or every Church of Christ individual etc. to hell: Even though their system preaches a false gospel. We don’t know if every single individual in these groups are lost.

    Well recently I learned that the Jews, were also under one of his blankets.

    In a mysterious way, the Jews are God’s people: and the Bible(in many places and ways), reminds us that those Jews, who are truly Jews, will always be God’s people.

    This pastor is not alone in his lack of understanding in this area, but he needs to admit(just as God’s Word has convinced me to), that we don’t have all the answers......
    Romans 11:33
    “O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable [are] his judgments, and his ways past finding out!”

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    Now the purpose of this thread, is the bigger question that is on my mind:
    That the Lord has been slowly answering for me.
    And that is how someone(anyone), who is in error, can still be used by the Lord?

    And the answer that I have learned is.....that none of us are totally 100% free, of error!
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    It’s kind of like the “Egyptian mid-wives” question.
    Of course they were sinners and lied.....but they were still blessed by the Lord:
    But which one of us are not sinners?

    Just as with Gospel preachers.
    If God chose not to use preachers who had error in their doctrine(although they preached the right Gospel), than He could not use any of us.

    The best that we can do(and stay), is to be open to correction.
    And have the wisdom and respect for others, not to force “our understanding” down their throat.

    Have a good day folks.
     
  2. Van

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    I am in complete agreement with Paul who said "Love does not demand its own way." Stilllearning, you have come across one of the signposts on the path to Christian maturity, thanks for sharing.
     
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    Agreed. But at the same time we must have the discernment to not stray into ecumenism. (And by that I mean cooperation with apostate denominations/heretical beliefs) The trick is finding out exactly where we draw then line...
     
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    Very good OP.

    Reminded that the most vile and ungodly person I ever have met was a preacher who claimed that he preached (according to him) the best sermon he ever preached with the most freedom of the spirit he ever experienced within minutes after verbally berating and physically beating his wife in his office.

    The Word of God will not be void even in the mouth and hands of the ungodly.

    God does not need a righteous, holy vessel to proclaim His truth. The truth is the truth even if carried in a vessel of iniquity and dishonor.
     
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    You speak an ancient wisdom, my friend.

    “The proverbs of Solomon the son of David, king of Israel:
    To know wisdom and instruction,
    To discern the sayings of understanding,
    To receive instruction in wise behavior,
    Righteousness, justice and equity;
    To give prudence to the naive,
    To the youth knowledge and discretion,
    A wise man will hear and increase in learning,
    And a man of understanding will acquire wise counsel,
    To understand a proverb and a figure,
    The words of the wise and their riddles.”
    (Proverbs 1:1–6, NASB95)

    Rob
     
  6. Tom Butler

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    Good post. I'm sure all of us are like your name, still learning.

    I picked out that reference to the "Baptist Brider" for expansion since I'm sure there are some here who don't know what that is.

    In brief, it is a belief that Baptists are the true Bride (the church), and that one day, at the marriage supper of the Lamb, only Baptists will be the sit-down invitees. Others, who are not Baptist, may attend as onlookers, but not as participants.

    That's my understanding; how close is that to yours.

    The Universal Church folks, even among Baptists, really get bent out of shape over the Baptist Bride view.

    I don't want to derail this thread, but I thought I'd deal with this and then we can move on.
     
  7. Tom Butler

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    I don't want to come across sounding arrogant, but regarding the things about which I have an opinion, I think I'm right 100 % of the time.

    There are some things about which I can only say, I'm not sure.

    There are some things about which I say, here is where I am today (and I think I'm right), but I wasn't here yesterday, and may not be here tomorrow. Take eschatology for instance. I was first taught pre-trib rapture, but later embraced post-trib. That's where I am now, but I can see some merit in A-mil. But I'm not there yet.

    Here's why I'm confident about my beliefs, but still leave the door open.

    A few years ago, on a mission trip to Romania, what they believed and practiced there caused me to re-evaluate everything we as Baptist do and say in presenting the gospel. It was painful to call into question so much that I had taken for granted as true. I'm talking practice more than doctrine, but still it was disconcerting.

    There are some things which I don't ever expect to change, but I've learned to never say never.
     
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    I believe in election, the Doctrine of Grace. It would be foolish for me to believe that among all those in other Christian communions God does not have many who are His Chosen Ones.
     
  9. Tom Butler

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    I, too, believe God has saved people who are of other denominations. In some cases, he has saved them despite the teachings of their church. Now that's real grace.
     
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    think that ALL christians will be at the marriage supper of the lamb though, as ALL of us saved same way, regardless if baptists/methodists/nazerenes etc by label!
     
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    I have known and heard of people who believed that they were never wrong or never sinned. However, only God is ALWAYS right 100% of the time.
     
  12. Tom Butler

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    I've met a couple of folks in my lifetime who said they had reached the point in their sanctification process where they no longer sinned.

    It's a good thing that Jesus died for sinners because these same folks would face judgment for the sins they committed before they reached perfection.
     
  13. Tom Butler

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    Then it's obvious you are not a Baptist Brider.
     
  14. stilllearning

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    1 John 1:8
    “If we say that we have no sin,
    we deceive ourselves,
    and the truth is not in us.”
     
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    We Need To Look No Further....

    ....than this board to witness that there are some here who believe they have a spiritual connection and a corner on the word of God. I have personally run into them, and they cyber talk you to death as they try to convince you that they are 100% right, and that you are the one who in error, and needing to change your views. :praying:

    I choose to wait and see what God has to say once I get to heaven. I do not know it all, and will never profess to be in that position. How sad for those who are, as the awakening will be a tough pill to swallow. :laugh:
     
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    ...And the one who disagrees is insulted with accusations of apostacy, making up his own religion, and authoring his own bible. And the Rulers don't bat an eye.
     
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  17. Tom Butler

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    Let's put all this into perspective. I know what I believe about certain things and I and pretty certain I am right. By definition, if you believe differently, I believe you are wrong. It can't be any other way. Both views can't be right.

    Now, there are some things about which my views are not settled. I'm still learning.

    And, some of the things I believe today are different from what I used to believe.

    It is possible, though remotely, that I may believe something different in the future.

    If you are sure you are 100% right, I dont have a problem with that, and neither should anybody else. If you are convinced that you are not 100% right, what are you waiting for? Fire that truth-seeking missile and keep firing until you find it.

    Oh, about sin. I can't remember the last time I sinned.


    I'm not sure, but I think it was about two hours ago.
     
  18. Tom Butler

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    Oh, and if I'm sure I'm right, and don't try to convince someone of their error, am I being disbedient to the scriptures, which tell us to earnestly contend for the faith?
     
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    the lord requires us to reprove our brother in faith, if they are going wayward!

    think that we can be absolute sure of some things, other areas fit into "disagree in love"

    Things such as jesus is ONLY saviour, God is trinity, Bible ONLY revelation from God etc! 100 % certain

    other items like timimg of second coming, which bible version to use, how tobaptise etc under "disagree, but keep unity" mode!
     
  20. stilllearning

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    Hi Tom

    Just a few things to add to your post.
    ➀ Any of us who “know we are right” about something, had better be able to show chapter and verse support from Scripture(that is rightly divided).

    ➁ And yes, we are to try to correct others that are clearly wrong according to Scripture.
    But the Lord gives us some rules about correcting others.....
    Matthew 7:3-5
    V.3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
    V.4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam [is] in thine own eye?
    V.5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.


    ➂ Another rule for correcting others is, they must "want" to be corrected.......
    (The very next verse in this passage.....)
    Matthew 7:6
    “Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.”


    ➃ Therefore sound & Biblical correction is a very valuable thing, that should not be wasted on people who will reject it.........
    Titus 3:10
    “A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;”

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    I would love for a fellow believer to be willing to come to me and discuss our differences and go to the Word of God and hash them out.
    This would always be good for both of us...........
    Proverbs 27:17
    “Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend.”
     

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