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Discussion in 'Free-For-All Archives' started by Eladar, Dec 13, 2002.
Is letting young children believe there is a Santa Claus a salvation issue?
Thou shalt have no other gods before Me is in the Bible. IF Santa is a "god", then yes it is a spiritual (not salvation) issue.
Can't think of anyone I've ever known that considered Santa a "god", can you?
I've never heard of 'Santa God'.
I guess I should have put this in the poll too, so I'd like to see some thoughts on this issue:
Is it right for an adult who believes children should not believe in Santa Claus to tell a child who does believe in Santa that "there is no such thing as Santa"?
I think it is wrong. I know that my 5 year old son would be crushed if he found out.
Salvation is by faith alone.
For Santa, getting presents is by works. Being good, not naughty but nice.
Because of these differences I do see it as a salvation issue.
Me neither. Just Santa Baby.
Seriously, I don't think it's a salvation issue at all. I guess it could be, if people (not just kids) believed in Santa as a deity, but at the same time, even though Santa isn't called a deity, some kids think of him as such, so . . . maybe I should change my answer!
But that's a parents thing to do. If they want to let their kids believe in Santa, I don't have real problems with that, but even young kids can understand that Santa isn't deity - just a jolly old elf who cares about kids.
I don't remember ever thinking Santa was actually real. My parents still write "From Santa" on gift cards to me, though.
Why? Santa has absolutely nothing to do with salvation. If anything it could be seen as a 'reward' which is based on works.
There is no big problem with small children going to see Father Christmas and believing that he comes down the old chimmney. It is a fairy tale. If we dont want to tell kids about Father Christmas, we have to be consistant and not read our kids any story books at all. For they are make believe. Consider how many small children believe in Superman. Yet they grow out of it of their own accord.
We need to be really carefull about legalism becoming the issue here.
Here is an interesting point. How many of the churches that teach "Soul sleep" of the dead, and then oppose christmas then say that when Jesus talked about Lazuras and Abrahams bosom, It was only a Parable and not to be taken as factual, are then suggesting not to tell people falsified events, yet then claim that Jesus did?
No Santa Claus. No tooth fairy. No Easter bunny. No invisible pretend friends.
Well, bah humbug!
None of this has anything to do with salvation.
And if you don't believe me, then you'll get a lump of coal in your stocking.
(I posted this on another thread, but thought I'd share it here)
I can biblically prove that Santa exists. Look at Zechariah 2:6 in the King James Version:
Ho, Ho!! come forth, and flee from the land of the north...
So a Merry Christmas, and Ho Ho Ho to all!!!!
Even the "red and green" colors of christmas are mimicked from the Bible...where there it represents leprosy. "Housetops" is in the Bible. The "green tree" is mentioned 14 times and linked to idolatry. "Merry" occurs more than 25 times in scripture and has reference to the natural man.
The world hates Jesus-Why would they "celebrate" Him? Everything is a mockery of Him and the Scriptures. All of it has been associated with pagans. God commands us to learn not the way of the heathen!
I'm sorry... I think it's foolish to make mountains out of mole hills. Imagination is something that is inherantly characterist to children... I fail to see where popping every baloon of a childs imagination is profitable to anyone.
We know how to get saved...believe, repent and accept the gift...oooh, gift... that reminds me...Merry Christmas everyone.
I've only read that the color white was associated with leprosy...what verse does it say green and red?
For every attribute & symbol of santa/christmas, there is a parallel to Jesus in the Scriptures!
Do you think it is wrong to eat meat that has been offered to pagan gods?
Granny, since houses cannot get leprosy, it is perhaps better to understand that the references in Leviticus referred to various molds, mildews, and skin infections, not simply leprosy.
However that still gives you your red and green associated with them if that is the association you wish to make.
Me? Red is the color of blood. HIS blood shed for me.
Green is the color of plants which are alive and not dead.
Note Psalm 1:
Blessed is the man who does not walk in the counsel of the wicked
or stand in the way of sinners
or sit in the seat of mockers.
But his delight is in the law of the Lord,
and on his law he meditates day and night.
He is like a tree planted by streams of water
which yields its fruit in season
and whose leaf does not wither.
Whatever he does prospers.
This is the time when the entire upper house of the Persian parliament came to visit the infant King after they had followed the star. They probably first saw Him on or about December 25. We have every reason to celebrate with the giving of gifts at this time of the year. He is the light of the world, and our home and bushes are lit with hundreds of colored lights.
We have a lovely tree and garlands and candles around the house. And cinnamon apple candles burning because we love the smell. And my daughter walked in from school today and looked at the decorations we had put up and her face absolutely lit up: "It's so beautiful! NOW it's Christmas!"
And we are not pagan at all...
We are celebrating Jesus, and there is no one who knows us who doesn't know THAT!
And green also stands for everlasting life!
Other Christmas colors:
Gold: For streets of gold on which we shall walk some day.
White: For our sins being washed white as snow with His Blood.
Purple: For the Royalty of Jesus Christ.
Christmas Tree might have been a pagan thing. But for Christians, it is a symbol of the tree on which Jesus was crucified and of everlasting life thru Him!
Lights: He is the Light of the World.
Gifts: The Wisemen brought Gifts to the Newborn King.
It's all a matter of perspective, isn't it?
Salvation is by faith in Jesus alone. Nothing else has anything to so with salvation. Especially opinions.
Did you mean to say this?
I go to work daily, and I assure you that my boss expects "works" for me to earn a reward. I can't see that's a salvation issue.
By the time children are about in the third grade, they figure out who brings all the gifts under the tree. I don't think all the children of the U.S. are being harmed by anything having to do with Santa, they need to hear the real story of Christmas though. I've always been led to believe that Santa was not actually fiction, Saint Nicholas did actually exist.
My parents never did the Easter Bunny thing, but we did listen to the radio on Christmas Eve to see where Santa was last sited.
Merry Christmas to All and to All A Goodnight!
[ December 14, 2002, 12:58 AM: Message edited by: SueLyn ]