between His death and resurrection

He was in the presence of God the Father----"This day thou shalt be with Me in Paradise." Paradise=Heaven at the Right Hand of the Father!

 

Jesus' blood was preached through the Prophets starting with Moses! Why go to hell and preach it again???

 

All right now Dr. Bob, you went and confused me.

I was taught that during those three days Christ decended into Hades and stayed there long enough to gain the control of death and hell. Where he spent the rest of the time, if there was time left over was unclear.

However, I was taught that Christ did not appear in God's presence until after he had risen from the grave. Hence the reason he told Mary not to touch him him, John 20:17.

Also I thought the word gehenna was the word used to describe the fiery hell and Hades was a pagan reference misused to be interchangable with the English word hell.

 

Deborah, yes there will be Christians in hell during the 1000 yr kingdom, those who did not see fit to obey Christ and overcome sin in this life. This is clearly taught, but is the most avoided teaching on the face of the planet. As Dr. Bob points out, there was a hot side and a cool side. Many say paradise is in heaven now, although I couldn't give you a scripture to back that up off the top of my head. But as Christians, we are going to stand before our Lord at the judgment seat of Christ and be judged for our works (1Cor 3). We are not guaranteed entrance into the kingdom, but are told we must work for that reward. Nevertheless, we shall be saved (yet so as by fire...)

 

Scripture is silent on this question. If it made no difference to the theology of the gospels, then our theology should be ok without having to map it all out (and if it requires such then it is by necessity suspect and unbiblical). Unless you opt for a God that enjoys seeing us put jigsaw puzzles together. How amusing!

Grace and Peace, Danny

 

Dr. Bob, I'm sure you know there are about 4 different takes on this passage. Some believe it means that the spirit of Christ was in Noah preaching to those about to be overcome by the Flood. Then there are 2 other interpretations.

 

The first part sounds like a Word Faith teaching!

Christ did not need to "regain control of hell." God is always in charge, but WF diminishes God and Christ and teaches that God lost control of his rule over earth after Adam and Eve sinned. They also teach that Jesus came into being because of God's positive confession of the Savior needed to help God get the world back from Satan.

Jesus did not tell Mary not to touch Him, but to not cling to Him. He had things to do and also He was not going to stay on earth except for that short time until his Ascension.

 

I think he went to Sheol (in Greek, Hades) to collect the worthy souls (imo, Abraham's bosom) of those who had died before and take them to Heaven after his resurrection. No firm scriptural support for this, just my $.02 and some scriptural implication.

 

Word of What!?

You must not realize how old I am. When I was taught these things there was no such thing as Word of Faith.

I was raised in a Missionary baptist church(saved and baptised there) and then when we moved south we attended first a SBC and then a Freewill Baptist Church. The old Sword of the Lord was read weekly and John R. Rice Sr. was held in great respect.

These are the things I was taught then by them and my father(who despite his faults was careful to teach me the Word). Never have needed to question them until this caught my eye. It'll take a bit but I'll see if I can locate where he/we came by this idea. Maybe sometime tomorrow, I'm exhausted tonight.

 

Dr. Bob,
You don't mean that Hell and Hades are the same place, do you?

If you do, do you believe that those unbelievers in Hell who were preached the blood of Christ by Christ were provided a 'second' chance?

Bro. Dallas

 

So you are not saying that Christ provided an opportunity for the lost after death for those lost in Hades.

I know some pentecostals and UMC members who believe this is what is meant by '...and lead captivity captive..'

I disagree with that notion.

I can agree with your statement. It would [if I am thinking rightly about it] mean that Christ preached to the OT believers who died looking for the promise...am I right?

I said I can agree with this, although I have never thought about it this way.

Bro. Dallas

 

another take:

It seems to me that the most natural and obvious interpretation is to refer it to those who were then dead, to whom the gospel had been preached when living, and who had become true Christians.


Peter speaks of them as they were when he wrote; not as they had been, or were at the time when the message was preached to them.

The idea is, that to those spirits who were then in prison who had formerly lived in the days of Noah, the message had been in fact delivered. It was not necessary to speak of them precisely as they were at the time when it was delivered, but only in such a way as to identify them.