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Featured BF&M 2000 vs 1963

Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by Salty, Apr 27, 2013.

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  1. 1963 is too conservative

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  2. 1963 is sufficient

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  3. 2000 is too liberal

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  4. 2000 is sufficient

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  5. 2000 needs additional articles

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  6. Other answer

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  7. I am not SBC, just wanted to see results

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  1. go2church

    go2church Active Member
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    Not all revelation is the same. Jesus is the ultimate revelation, no statement should leave the possibility or implication that anything could be or is equal to Jesus.

    I don't need a bible, though I'm grateful that i have one. I die in my sins without Jesus.
     
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    Trying to separate the Bible from God's words is very weird and completely unbiblical.
     
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    Baptist principles are those principles held by all Baptists, whether liberal, conservative, or moderate.

    The BAPTIST acrostic is one summary of such:

    B – Biblical authority: the Bible is the sole authority for all faith and practice
    A – Autonomy of the local church: self governing
    P – Priesthood of believers: every believer has access to the Lord Jesus Christ
    T – Two church officers – pastors and deacons
    I – Individual soul liberty
    S – Saved church membership
    T – Two church ordinances : baptism and the Lord’s Supper
    S – Separation of church and state
     
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    Baptists should hold to Baptist principles. Coercion is not one of them. Neither is making a confession an "instrument of doctrinal accountability".
     
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    Oh, well here is a good place for you


    http://www.thefellowship.info/
     
  6. Salty

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    Thomas,
    Do you know who came up with that acrostic?

    and why is it Eternal Security is not on that list?
     
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    Eternal security is not on it because not all Baptists believe in that. The first Baptists, in England, did not.
     
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    the Bible is the revelation of God to us in written form, while jesus is THE Revelation to God of Himself in flesh form!

    BOTH are perfect in what they expressed to us what God is like, how he thinks and acts, but oNLY jesus is to be worshipped, NO bible version is to get revered like that, for that would become idolatry!
     
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    Not sure what you're saying here, clarification please?
     
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    You keep trying to make the bible and Jesus both equal in their level of revelation, but they aren't. The mere fact that we worship one (Jesus) and not the other (the bible) is a clear indication that they are not the same and that one is "higher" then the other.

    The bible is a RECORD of God revealing himself. The revelation humanity had been waiting for is Jesus, not the bible.
     
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    I contend if you do not believe in eternal security, you should no longer call yourself a baptist.

    Well you answered 1 out of 2 questions = 50%. And 50 % in any class is failing.

    Who (not an acrostic*) determines what ALL Baptists believe?

    Questions is still opened - who came up with that acrostic?
     
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    I just checked with the Freewill and General Baptists, even though you don't like it, they still consider themselves Baptist.
     
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    and the same goes for Westboro Baptist church
     
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    Actually, I was just being a bit facetious

    On this, seriously, I am ashamed they call themselves a Baptist church
     
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    This would leave out many "Baptist" churches, (especially IFB) as they have rules against drinking,smoking, dancing, ect - none of which are forbidden by Scripture

    Many Baptist churches are going to Elder rule - does that mean they are no longer self governing -?

    1) If so- then why does only the pastor do the baptizing and serve communion?
    2) So, which is it? Priesthood of the believer or priesthood of believers?

    Actually, I do not believe the deacons are officers - only servants. - So I guess I am not a Baptist

    We have individual soul liberty as long as we do what we are told

    Well, Ok this one might make it

    Some Baptists believe that foot washing is an ordinance - so that makes three....

    There are a lot of Baptists that want to see the USBA - The United States of Baptist America
    So I guess they are not true Baptists

    Here is the Bottom line
    The BF&M is what Southern Baptists believe.
    No one is forcing you to accept it. If I remember correctly you said you are no longer SBC.
    If you disagree with the BF&M - it is probably best you left the convention.
     
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    Do BOTH reveal something of God to us? Are BOTH perfect in what they reveal to us about Him?

    revelation in my terminology here would be as to the truth/perfection of what it is trying to
    tell us about God, but jesus is the LAST and fullest revlation to us!
     
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    I would quibble, because Jesus doesn't reveal something of God to us, he is God. As to perfect, Jesus is perfect and the bible we have is trustworthy. Perfect can only apply to the originals which we don't have, so what we have is true and trustworthy, reliable.

    Revelation as it pertains to Jesus is more specific then just revealing something of God.
     
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    Liberals do not like to be held to any idea about the word being perfect because then they would have to change their doctrine.
     
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    The first Baptists, the original Baptists, did not believe in eternal security. Those who did came later. So, you bigoted, uninformed statement is really quite silly and ridiculous.

    You really didn't deserve that much of an answer, but you needed correction. As for the rest of it, find out yourself.
     
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    I am so glad that God alone is Lord of my conscience and not you or any fundie manifesto.

    About priesthood of the believer, the poll I posted a while back shows that most Baptists here believe that the laity can administer the ordinances, and most Baptists everywhere also believe that.

    I affirm all versions of the BF&M prior to the 2000 imposter. Since that one departs from Baptist principles, it could be fairly said that it is you and others who hold to it who should leave not only the SBC but the Baptist denomination. I won't say it because I, unlike the "conservative resurgence", still hold to Baptist principles.
     
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