BHO's Stealth Socialism

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Bible-boy, Jul 30, 2008.

  1. Bible-boy

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    See the following article from Investor's Business Daily:

    http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=302137342405551

     
  2. KenH

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    I find that Senator Obama is not wearing well as this campaign continues on. Neither does Senator McCain.

    Combined these are the two worst major party presidential candidates that the Democrats and Republicans have put forward in my lifetime, imo.
     
  3. Bible-boy

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    Same here. So I'll have to hold my nose and vote for the candidate who most closely lines up with my values and political positions.
     
  4. rdwhite

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    To do that you might have to vote third party or "write in":laugh:
     
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    Get used to it. Its coming.
     
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    Nice editorial piece, not facts only speculation by, I suppose, a right-wing hack. Of course I'm only guessing; there is no author's name posted with the editorial.
     
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    I find it difficult to call direct quotes from BHO's books and speeches plus real life accounts of his past "no facts only speculation." But hay... to each his own.:tonofbricks: Likewise, it does not matter who wrote the article. If the author was identified some folks (who will follow OHB no matter what) would simply try to argue that you can't believe the article because "so and so is right-wing hack."
     
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    Davis was a target of the McCarthy witch hunts along with most Hollywood actors. We later realized that McCarthy was much more dangerous that the people he charged with communism.

    The reason is apparent: Davis was a known communist who belonged to a party subservient to the Soviet Union. In fact, the 1951 report of the Commission on Subversive Activities to the Legislature of the Territory of Hawaii identified him as a CPUSA member. What's more, anti-communist congressional committees, including the House Un-American Activities Committee (HUAC), accused Davis of involvement in several communist-front organizations.
     
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    So Davis was/is a communist, right?
     
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    I disagree. I would like to know a little more about the author;I believe it would help in judging the validity of his work.
     
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    Stealth socialism?

    Obama’s Global Tax Proposal Up for Senate Vote

    "The legislation would commit the U.S. to spending 0.7 percent of gross national product on foreign aid, which amounts to a phenomenal 13-year total of $845 billion over and above what the U.S. already spends."

    More like in your face socialism.

    Before any of you Obama supporters start in with the liberal feel good lecture about helping others in need, first explain to me what a constitutional lawyer like Obama is doing ignoring the constitution he swore to uphold and defend. In case you didn't know it foreign aid like this is un-constitutional.

    Then, explain to me how this un-constitutional legislation isn't the redistribution of wealth.

    "In 2000, the U.S. joined more than 180 countries at the United Nations Millennium Summit and vowed to reduce global poverty by 2015. We are halfway towards this deadline, and it is time the United States makes it a priority of our foreign policy to meet this goal and help those who are struggling day to day."


    Not only is Obama a socialist he is an international socialist. Google it if you don't already know what international socialism is.
     
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    It may well be "unconstitutional". But that does not mean that it is not the right thing for a Christian to support.

    Despite many remonstrances to the contrary, things like third world debt relief and other "socialist" ideas are squarely in line with the kingdom values that Jesus espoused. That kingdom is already here. It is not in the future, although it will be brought to completion in the future.

    There is a very odd kind of "Christian" position we see often - the idea that I will (allegedly) order my inner life to be generous to others, but I do not want the "government" forcing it on me.

    This is like saying "I will order my inner value system so that I do not kill people, but I don't want society forcing a rule against murder on me".

    This odd and demonstrably unbiblical view really makes no sense. If you believe in the value of generosity, you will work to institutionalize that value in the very structures of the society the Christian is called to transform. There is no split between private and public morality.
     
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    Interesting. So you are saying breaking the law and stealing from some to give to others is the Christian thing to do?

    Strange I thought Roman's 13 spelled it out fairly well. Christians are to obey the higher authority. In the USA we do not have a Caesar for a higher authority we have the law. The supreme law of the land is the U.S. Constitution and the highest authority. In effect my friend you are encouraging your Christian brothers and sisters to disobey God's word if this is your stance..

    Seems simple enough to me. The bible tells us to obey the law. Not make up feel good liberal/collectivist/socialist excuses why we can't or shouldn't.
     
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  15. rdwhite

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    Well I suppose if you are talking about the kingdom of the anti-Christ that is true. Most everything is in place for the anti-Christ to step in and receive his kingdom. Just a few more years and it will be brought to completion and the International Order will be in place along with global churches who bow to the state. But yes, I agree, the kingdom of the anti-Christ is already here and just awaiting completion. Amen.
     
  16. Andre

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    I meant what I posted. Jesus has been enthroned, even though he is not physically here:

    I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom

    Tihis is a reference to the resurrection - Jesus asserts that this kingdom is beginning at that event. Jesus is already King.

    And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.

    Jesus is clearly telling his follower that His kingship has already been initiated.
     
  17. rdwhite

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    edited for cause.
     
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  18. Bible-boy

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    Well, I can't say for sure who wrote it but the article linked here looks like a summary of the book Odama Nation by Jerome R Corsi. Corsi documents every claim he makes against Obama. The book has over 700 footnotes with references to the original source documents so that if you choose to do so you can verify each claim.

    However, I would point out that the statement you made (quoted above) is a classic informal fallacy. It is an informal fallacy to suggest that one can determine the validity of an argument based upon the identity of the person making the argument. The example quoted above is an ad hominem-circumstantial attack in that it attempts to introduce an irrelevant personal circumstance surrounding the opponent [i.e. the article's author] as evidence against the opponent's position. Source: http://www.fallacyfiles.org/adhomine.html

    So you see that is why I said that it does not matter who wrote the article. The point is to disprove or refute the claims of the article based on demonstrated facts to the contrary (if they exist). The identity of the author does not play into the consideration of whether or not the claims in the article are invalid or valid.
     
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    Unless it is talking about Rick Warren!:laugh:

    But I digress
     
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    Dyed in the wool hard core anti American communist?

    Yes.
     

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