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  1. scraver

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    I realize that most Baptist denominations take a stance against modern-day prophesying and tongues, but I'm interested in knowing if there is a Baptist Bible College that does not hold that view. Or even if there is a Baptist school that holds a neutral view on the subject.
     
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    There probably is (are) - as there are more flavors of Baptists than Carter has little liver pills or Baskin Robbins Ice Cream flavors - or - I think you get the idea.

    This Baptist takes a very strong stance against modern-day prophesying and tongues.
     
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    You might consider one of the Free Will Baptist churches or a Seventh Day Baptist church..I believe some of them believe in tongues et al.

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    Jim
     
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    Why would prophesying cease? Just a question.
     
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    Because Jesus Christ was that fulfillment.

    But now...can God talk to you? The question then should be how are the two different?

    Sherrie
     
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    The Bible says tongues will cease when that which is made perfect has come. It's in the book of Acts. Tongues were for communication of God's word before the Bible was completed. That which is made perfect is referring to the Bible. Tongues are no longer necessary to get God's word out, because we have his word in the Bible.

    I have never heard of a Baptist college that believes in the use of tongues in this day and age.
     
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    Your post is the standard Baptist argument. I am VERY familiar with it. I have tried to support that theory with the scriptures and have found (after many hours of study) that the doctrine isn't scriptural at all. Of course I have no desire to argue the point on this list, but would encourage you to study the New Testament for yourself in a non-biased manner. Read it for yourself--- don't consult the Theologists or the Greek or the Hebrew, just the KJV English. It's all in there in English. I wish I could say the Baptist doctrine hits the nail on the head because I'd love to attend a Baptist School! But there's a lot of holes in that particular Baptist doctrine that lends me to trust the Word rather than a denomination... because when Christ returns I want to be in accordance with his word...so I'd rather not take chances with my faith!
     
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    "...because when Christ returns I want to be in accordance with his word...so I'd rather not take chances with my faith!" [/QB][/QUOTE]

    word should've been Word.(cap)
     
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    The standard doctrine according to Baptists is something like this... (taken directly from a Baptist Newsletter.)

    "Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away. For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away." I Cor. 13:8-10.

    A few words of explanation are in order for certain words found in the above scripture.

    "PROPHECIES" refers to the office of the prophet who received a direct revelation of the future from the Lord. "Fail" does not mean that some prophecies given by Divine inspiration would not come to pass, but rather that there would be no need of prophecies when the Word of God was complete. John wrote the last prophecies in 96 A.D. on the Isle of Patmos. Now there is no need for prophecies and prophets for John finished that work. TONGUES . . . SHALL CEASE."

    Tongues here means the gift of tongues. Tongues (languages) have to be learned today, they are not received as a gift. If they could be received as a gift, it would save the missionaries a lot of study on the foreign field. God said the "tongues . . . shall cease", and they have.

    Why? Because they are no longer needed, since we now have the complete Word of God!

    "But when that which is PERFECT is come, then that which is in part shall be done away." V. 10. "Perfect" does not here refer to Christ, as some would have you to believe. "This adjective (used as a noun) is in the neuter gender. Therefore, it is a reference to the finished (perfect) or completed Word of God. If it referred to Christ, it would be in the masculine gender."--William G. Bellshaw, Th.M. When the New Testament was completed, prophecy, tongues and knowledge were no longer needed. This interpretation of V. 10 is also confirmed by Merrill F. Unger and Roy L. Laurin in his commentary on I Corinthians.

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    And just for the record. I don't believe this doctrine is scriptural.
     
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    I have studied it myself, and have found the scriptures agree with Popeye's post. What I have also found is that most people think that "that which is made perfect is come" means Jesus...and of course in context it does not.
     
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    I have studied it myself, and have found the scriptures agree with Popeye's post. What I have also found is that most people think that "that which is made perfect is come" means Jesus...and of course in context it does not. </font>[/QUOTE]Of course? That's a big assumption. What if it does refer to Jesus? What if it doesn't? It's a fact that the word "Word" isn't there and the word "Jesus" isn't there either. This verse doesn't clearly define your doctrine without using assumption. There are no other verses in the scriptures that solidify your position either. To divide the New Testament into a pre-perfect and post-perfect world view is a very carnal stance to take when dealing with an omnipotent God.
     
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    May I ask why you are taking that tone with me? I'm not here to fight...this is a fellowship forum. Please temper your words, and don't off hand imply that because I have studied something and come to an alternative conclusion that it is carnal. I studied this at my church. Here's a link to the "carnal" (your word) place I learned this doctrine from.

    In Christ,
    Laurenda

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    I didn't mean it to come off in a negative way. That's the problem sometimes with online discussions... there is no "tone." From my study of the scriptures I believe the word "carnal" is the appropriate word. In my opinion, the doctrine takes a spiritual book and trys to manipulate it into a limited humanistic viewpoint. IMO The Baptist doctrine we are discussing is just that... "limiting" or "quenching" the Word within our own limited "fleshly" understanding. I do not believe the doctrine is scriptural, and you do. And that's your choice. We just hold two different points of view. I respect the Baptist dedication to the Textus Receptus and the KJV, so I am very interested in finding a Bible College that doesn't despise modern day tongues and prophesying while defending the KJV and Textus Receptus. Whether such a school exists I don't know. With thousands of members on this list I thought it would be a good place to start my search.
     
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    I looked up your link to the West Coast Baptist College and read their statement of belief at http://www.westcoastbaptist.edu/aboutus/doctrine.html and found this to be very good stuff. There is no stated belief in the doctrine that denies modern day prophesying and tongues, so that is perfectly acceptable to me. If I lived in California I'd consider the school a viable option.
     
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    Scraver, there is a strong belief about the use of tongues in this day and age at my church. If you want to know exactly how and why our church believes that way, you can use the contact link. I know they would be very helpful in getting back to you. Don't assume that because you didn't see anything regarding tongue on the web-page that a belief doesn't exist.

    God Bless You, I hope you find what you are looking for as far as answers to this question. God has a way of revealing the truth to those who seek it.

    In Christ,
    Laurenda

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    II Tim 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

    Just out of curiousity, does one ear itch more than the other one. (I'm just trying to be funny with that remark). Seriously, though, there is a reason why there is a lack of schools with that description. The two concepts are incompatible. Fidelity to the Word and Charismatics just don't mix. Find a good school that honors the Word and let the Holy Spirit convince you of the truth or untruth of what they say.
     
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    I've studied the doctrine and am very familiar with it. It takes to much assumption for me to be a follower. I approach the scriptures in a way that I don't add or take away from them to gain understanding.

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    ---II Tim 4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;---

    From my study of the scriptures I find that most denominations including Baptists are not able to endure sound doctrine. The limiting doctrines of the Baptists concerning spiritual gifts concerns me.

    "there is a reason why there is a lack of schools with that description. The two concepts are incompatible."

    Surprisingly as I have looked at Baptists and other schools over the past few days I have found that most don't despise modern day tongues and prophesying in their doctrinal statements! So this is a good thing and makes my search much easier. I am very surprised about this fact, but this may be to make the schools more inclusive.

    "Fidelity to the Word and Charismatics just don't mix. Find a good school that honors the Word and let the Holy Spirit convince you of the truth or untruth of what they say."

    I have no connections with the Charismatic movement. I agree that the Holy SPirit should be present at any good school.
     
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    There is also Christ for the Nations Institute. It is a reputable Bible College that does not limit the manifestations of spiritual gifts.
     

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