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Bible Inerrancy Poll #2

Discussion in '2005 Archive' started by Ed Edwards, May 29, 2004.

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  1. -1 the Bible has errors (i.e. is NOT inerrant)

    8.0%
  2. 0 the Bible has minor errors but is still useful

    10.0%
  3. 1 The Bible is inerrant on all doctrinal issues

    19.0%
  4. 2 The Bible is inerrant on all issues: doctrinal, historic, and scientific

    49.0%
  5. 3 The Bible is inerrant in the original autographs

    6.0%
  6. 4 The Bible is inerrant only in the KJV1611 Authorized Version

    2.0%
  7. 5 inerrant in any English translation based on the TR

    6.0%
  8. 6 The Bible is inerrant in all faithful English translations

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  9. 7 the Bible is inerrant as applied by _______ (post person or group)

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  1. I Am Blessed 24

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    My vote is based solely on my opinion which is rarely (but sometimes - accidentally) right! :eek:

    §ue [​IMG] :rolleyes:
     
  2. Ed Edwards

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    Thank you voter #68!
    Thank you voter #69!
    Your participation is appreciated;
    your opinion is welcome!
     
  3. Ed Edwards

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    Poll Results: Bible Inerrancy Poll #2 (69 votes.)
    [left column shows the last 8 votes]
    What does Bible Inerrancy mean to you?
    Choose 1

    1 -1 the Bible has errors (i.e. is NOT inerrant) 6% (4)
    0 0 the Bible has minor errors but is still useful 1% (1)
    0 1 The Bible is inerrant on all doctrinal issues 12% (8)
    0 2 The Bible is inerrant: doctrinal, historic, and scientific 19% (13)
    6 3 The Bible is inerrant in the original autographs 46% (32)
    0 4 The Bible is inerrant only in the KJV1611 Authorized Version 6% (4)
    1 5 inerrant in any English translation based on the TR 3% (2)
    0 6 The Bible is inerrant in all faithful English translations 7% (5)
    0 7 the Bible is inerrant as applied by _______ (post person or group) 0% (0)
     
  4. Bluefalcon

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    It's amusing two people voted #5, because the TR only comprises the NT. It's nice to know some are certain 1/5 of the Bible is inerrant! HAHAHAHA!

    Yours,

    Bluefalcon
     
  5. stevec

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    Maybe those two are closet members of the International Church of Christ cult--they don't use the OT.
     
  6. rjprince

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    Did not see how to vote on this post. I think I will like it here though -- I vote for inerrant in original autographs! And preserved very well in copies and translations, allowing for mss. comparison (hesitated to say textual criticism, that would have brought major flames on some other dbs). My first post here, kinda checking the water just a little. Been pretty scorched by KJVO's on a few other sites.
     
  7. Ed Edwards

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    Welcome aboard Pastor Rjprince! [​IMG]

    This is called "#2" because there is
    a #1. It will be perfected some day
    and be in the #3 form. What would
    it have to say so you could answer?

    Vote on page 1, the first post (on the
    top). You want to mark answer #3.
     
  8. Ed Edwards

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    Thank you voter #70!
    Your votes are appreciated.
     
  9. Ed Edwards

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    Thank you voter #71!
    Your vote is appreciated.

    You join the other fine folk who voted for:

    2 The Bible is inerrant on all issues: doctrinal,
    historic, and scientific
     
  10. Ed Edwards

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    Thank you voter #72!
    Your vote is appreciated.
     
  11. church mouse guy

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    A lot of people hold unorthodox views on the inerrancy of the Scripture.
     
  12. Ed Edwards

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    Amen, Brother Church mouse guy -- Preach it! [​IMG]

    Thiis being the second poll, i've had 173 votes
    and nobody every marked:

    7 the Bible is inerrant as applied by _______ (post person or group)

    So this poll proves my point:
    Inerrancy of the Bible refers to what
    is read NOT what is lived because of the
    reading. However, I still
    teach Sunday School not
    history for histories sake; not science
    for science's sake, not politics for politics
    sake -- I teach how to live better next week
    for Jesus'es sake. [​IMG]
     
  13. church mouse guy

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    Mr. Edwards, do you agree with this statement by Josh McDowell in his 1999 book entitled The New Evidence That Demands A Verdict?

    "Inerrancy is not taught in the Bible" is the claim by those opposed to inerrancy. They say that the Bible does not teach its own inerrancy, but only teaches that it is inspired.

    This claim is as incorrect as saying the Bible does not teach the doctrine of the Trinity. True, nowhere does the Bible say in so many words, "there are three persons in one God: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit." But despite this fact, the doctrine of the Trinity is clearly and emphatically taught in Scripture. How does one arrive at this? By a logical deduction from two principles that are clearly taught in Scripture: (1) There are three persons who are called God: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit; and (2) there is only one God. Simple logic demands that from these two truths only one conclusion follows, a conclusion that no orthodox Christian fails to draw: There are three persons in one God.

    Now, by this same logic the Bible also teaches its own inerrancy. Like the doctrine of the Trinity, nowhere do the Scriptures explicitly say, "The Bible is inerrant in all that it affirms." Nevertheless, the Bible does clearly and emphatically teach two truths from which this conclusion is inevitable: First, the very words of Scripture, all of them, are the revelation of God. Paul wrote, "All Scripture is given by inspiration of God" (2 Tim. 3:16). The word "scripture" means "writings." Over and over the biblical prophets were commanded to record the very "words" of God (Ex. 24:4; Rev 22:19). David confessed on his deathbed, "the Spirit of the Lord spoke by me, and His word was on my tongue" (2 Sam. 23:2). Jeremiah was told "Do not diminish a word" of God's prophecy (Jer. 26:2). The apostle Paul claimed to teach "words...which the Holy Spirit teaches" (1 Cor. 2:13).

    Second, the Bible emphatically teaches that everything that God utters is true and completely without error. Jesus said to the Father, "Your word is truth" (John 17:17). The psalmist declared, "Your word is truth" (Ps. 119:160). The writer of Hebrews stated emphatically, "It is impossible for God to lie" (Heb 6:18). Paul told Titus that "God...cannot lie" (1:2). Proverbs assures us that "every word of God proves true" (30:5 RSV). In short, the very character of God as true demands that when He speaks He must speak the truth. At the same time, the Scriptures are the very utterance of God. Hence, from these two clearly taught truths of Scripture one and only one conclusion logically follows: Everything the Bible teaches is the unerring truth of God.

    Thus it is that inerrancy follows logically from inspiration. If the Bible is God's Word, then it must be without error. Christians have often summarized the doctrine of inerrancy this way: "What the Bible says, God says." Indeed the words "God" and "Scripture" are often used interchangeably in this regard. For example, Hebrews 3:7 declares "the Holy Spirit says" with a reference to the Old Testament Scripture (Ps. 95:7). This pattern is repeated elsewhere (see Acts 2:17; Gal. 3:8; Heb. 9:8).

    The Bible does indeed claim its own inerrancy as surely as it teaches that God is a Trinity.
     
  14. Ed Edwards

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    Thank you voter #73!
    Your vote is appreciated.

    I agree with Brother Josh.

    I affirm the NOW inerrancy of the
    HCSB2003 = Holman Christian Standard Bible.
    I further affirm the inerrancy of
    the KJV1611 for the English speaker
    in the 17th century (1601-1700). Unfortunately
    the KJV1611 is not now read by 17th Century
    English speakers but by 21st century
    (2001-2100) English speakers.
    For example, it is now common in English to
    capitalize pronouns referring to the
    Holy Trinity or members thereoff. This was
    not common English usage in 1611.
     
  15. church mouse guy

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    Yes, I bought the Holman Christian Standard Bible when the recent annual meeting of the SBC was here in Indianapolis last June. I like it.

    By the way, McDowell quotes Augustine as saying, "I have teamed to yield this respect and honor only to the canonical books of Scripture. Of these alone do I most firmly believe that the authors were completely free from error."

    McDowell also quotes Thomas Aquinas, Martin Luther, John Calvin, and John Wesley as saying that the Bible is inerrant.
     
  16. Ed Edwards

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    From the Baptist Board Statement of Faith:

    I. The Scriptures

    ... Therefore, all Scripture is totally true and trustworthy.
    It reveals the principles by which God judges us,
    and therefore is, and will remain to the end of the world,
    the true center of Christian union, and the supreme
    standard by which all human conduct, creeds, and religious
    opinions should be tried. All Scripture is a testimony
    to Christ, who is Himself the focus of divine revelation.

    YOu have to agree with this post in the Baptist Portions of
    the Baptist Board (this is a Baptist only Forum).
    NOte the Bolded portion which to me means THE BIBLE
    IS INERRANT. So you have to believe the Scripture is inerrant
    to post here.

    What does inerrant mean?
    This poll shows a wide varity of meaning that people
    put to "inerrant". What is the orthodox view
    of what is inerrant, brother Church Mouse Guy. I'm easy
    today, i'll just assume that what ever you believe is
    indeed the orthodox view [​IMG]
     
  17. rsr

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  18. church mouse guy

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    Just call me cmg. I believe that The Holy Bible is perfect. So I think that I believe what you believe on this question, Mr. Edwards.
     
  19. DavidFWhite3

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    May I ask a serious question.

    Is it possible for the Bible to be sufficient without being inerrant?

    Put another way. Is it possible for the Bible to show us a perfect God, and not be a perfect book?

    Dave
     
  20. manchester

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    How about "the Bible is inerrant in the best of the Greek and Hebrew"?
     
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