BIBLE IS NOT FOR BAPTISTS?

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  1. Charles Meadows

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    Hey guys/gals, get a load of this!

    I was debating with a member of another denomination (well they don't call themselves a denomination but the initials are COC). He stated, "All the NT epistles were written to the church of Christ NOT the denominations so they really shouldn't be reading other peoples mail(church of Christ mail that is)." Is that original or what? :eek:

    Anyone seen that in the bible?
     
  2. Ed Edwards

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    Strange, i thought COC didn't
    use the Old Testament??? The
    teaching is found in Hezikiah 14:23 :(
     
  3. Ransom

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    Charles Meadows said:

    He stated, "All the NT epistles were written to the church of Christ NOT the denominations so they really shouldn't be reading other peoples mail(church of Christ mail that is)."

    Was he joking, or just intoxicated?
     
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    By this reported analogy is anyone supposed to read then Bible?

    I would have to ask him how he became a member of the "illustrious"/ chosen few, w/o ever partaking?

    But most likely, I would just look at him and say, "You reckon?" and then walk away.
     
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    I thought COC was a cult. Why would anyone listen to anything they have to say?
     
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    Go read the Fundamentalist Board. Some there have the same attitude. "Baptist can trace their linage back to the apostles" is not much different than what some COC believe.
     
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    Go read the Fundamentalist Board. Some there have the same attitude. "Baptist can trace their linage back to the apostles" is not much different than what some COC believe. </font>[/QUOTE]John the Baptist, baptized Jesus, scripturally I might add. And the first ordinance of the Baptist church was begun. So the Baptist church goes even before the Apostles, because they weren't the Apostles until seeing in person the Risen Saviour.

    The church may not have been called Baptist, but it certainly practiced baptism in the scriptural manner.

    Why does anyone waste the short time we have to "debate" with cult members anyhow?

    Proclaim the Word of Truth, there is no time for debate.
     
  8. Daniel David

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    This is very interesting. I studied this one out a few years ago.

    The COC founder, became such because of his landmarkism. He was a landmark baptist (his name escapes me) and kept going further and further with his theology.

    First, it was only baptists are the bride.
    Then, it was only baptists are part of the kingdom.
    Then, it was only proper baptists are ...
    Then, ...
    Then, ...
    Finally, only those who are baptised are saved.

    Nice, huh?
     
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    Did he check his brains at the door?
     
  10. rsr

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    The original statement is entirely consistent with the beliefs of old-time Campbellites, though to paint with too broad a brush about all CoC is a bit unfair. Today you will find southern CoCs that reject baptismal regeneration and accept instrumental music.

    The Restoration Movement, which dates to the Second Great Awakening, has its roots in Presbyterianism and arose from an amalgamation of the followers of Barton Stone and Alexander Campbell.

    The hallmarks of the movement were rejection of denominationalism and of any creed outside the Bible. The modern descendants of the movement are the Disciples of Christ, the Churches of Christ (mostly southern) and independent Christian Churches.

    Campbell was briefly a Baptist (he was baptized by a Baptist minister), but his church was expelled from the local association after his differences with the Baptists became clear. However, many Baptist churches joined the Restorationists, and it created havoc — and led to a vitriolic debate — between Baptists and Campbellites that has not yet been healed in some places.

    My contention is that Baptist landmarkism was encouraged by Restorationism, which proclaimed its congregations the "authentic" recreation of the New Testament church, which put them squarely in conflict with the Baptists.
     
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    I sincerely apologize, as there was no stamp on it I mistakenly assumed it was okay to read. I will be glad to return it if someone could give me a correct return address with appropriate zip code. There is no hurry, as I think it will take me quite a while to save up enough money for the return postage, I understand the sender's home address is out of this world.
     
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    I do not know much about the beliefs of Chuch of Christ, but since I've lived in Oklahoma have been to a funeral at one of their Churches. One thing I found quite different was that even though there were some people behind a curtain who sang some appropriate hymns, there were no musical instruments.

    Does anyone know if it is a belief of COC that you will not go to Heaven unless you belong to their Church? This may be a myth but I've heard of stories where a member of COC told someone they were not saved because they did not belong to COC.
     
  13. MissAbbyIFBaptist

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    Somehow I think the Bible's definiton of "Church of Christ" is diffrent from theirs. The Bible is written for everyone. Especialy the saved. An unsaved person won't understand it, but to be saved they must hear the gospel it contains.
    As for reading other people's "mail" as they put it, I'd tell em the same.
    I'm not too sure about them reforming, at least not the ones around me! I've run into serveral too many on visitation, and all they want to do is argue. And the one's I've run into want to argue specificaly on Salvation. By grace, or works? They all seem to want to tell me you must be baptized to be saved.
    So now I guess I'll watch for the reformed Cambellites.
    ~Miss Abby
    Proverbs 31:30 KJB [​IMG]
     
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    Lovelight,

    Many COC members (although not as much in the southern churches) say that if you are in a "denomination" you cannot be saved. You must be in COC.
     
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    Of course we're reading someone else's mail when we read the N.T. epistles--but they're addressed to Galatians, Romans, Ephesians, Timothy, Titus, etc.--not to any modern assembly, no matter what they call themselves.

    Let's not lose a proper historical perspective on the scriptures. We're reading over the shoulders of first century believers.

    In Christ,

    Tim
     
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    Ism-istics and Isticisms lead to confusionismisticism.

    I'm happy being a "dent" in the Body of Christ, but then I have to accept the company of "dings".
     
  17. Ransom

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    Charles Meadows said:

    Many COC members (although not as much in the southern churches) say that if you are in a "denomination" you cannot be saved. You must be in COC.

    Ridiculous. The COC is a denomination unto itself.

    Or do they suppose that if Redneck Ridge Baptist Church changed its name to Redneck Ridge Church of Christ and changed nothing else, then suddenly everything is okily-dokily?
     
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    Yeah, A Couple of decades ago, Every C O C Church had a "Joy Bus" parked outside in the parking lot in the South. But they were not a denomination - Right! :D
     
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    Lovelight said:

    There is no uniform set of beliefs for the CoC because each congregation is autonomous and there is no settled creed, "just the Bible."

    Some congregations would accept the belief you have mentioned, some wouldn't. The megachurches, as exemplified by Oak Hills Church of Christ in San Antonio, have (almost) dumped baptismal regeneration and have worship services with instrumental music.

    The CoCs are a denomination in exactly the same way IFBs are a denomination.
     
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    It is true that Mr. Campbell was immersed by a Baptist minister, but not under any church authority, merely as a private rite. See what happens when you ignore the New Testament local (true) church? - R. Charles Blair - Eph. 3:21
     

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