Bible Name?

Discussion in '2005 Archive' started by Phillip, Nov 22, 2004.

  1. Phillip

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    If I remember correctly, it was a KJVo who pointed out that the "Holman Christian Standard Bible" had the "Holman" name in it and that was not a real good thing to do.

    If this is the case, then why do the KJVo crowd INSIST on "KJB" instead of "KJV"? :eek: :confused:
     
  2. Dogsbody

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    I really don’t see the problem, but…

    How can the call it the “New King James Version”? King James must be pretty old by now. :eek:

    And…has anyone seen a copy of the “Old” American Standard Version? :confused:

    Ok, I’m out of my league here. I’ll go back to sleep…uh…I mean work
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    I have and love the ASV1901. It was THE Bible of ifb schools and seminaries in my era (50-60's).

    I fuss over folks calling the AV the King James BIBLE instead of what it calls itself - the King James VERSION. Because it is just one VERSION of the Bible.

    But I don't get as upset by the NASB which, in reality, should be held to the same standard and called the New American Standard VERSION.
     
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    It is in most online Bibles and Bible software packages.
     
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    I have a 1917 copy. The cover is about to fall off though.
     
  6. Phillip

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    Dr. Bob, How exactly do you obtain the AV1901? Who prints it and is there any specific markings or notification that it is that version?

    Do you know what the major changes are between it and the Oxford?
     
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    The ASV1901 is in the public domain, its copyright having lapsed. Because of that, it can be difficult to find new, although there are some places online where you can get it.

    The ASV is based on the Critical Text of the NT, not the TR, and thus is different from the Oxford.
     
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    Since the AV is now in the public domain it seems to me a lot of good study Bibles could now come out in the AV.
     
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    Can anyone pinpoint when or by whom the AV 1611 received the name King James Bible or King James Version? even my replica AV 1611s say "King James".
     
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    The ASV is the American edition of the Revised Version of 1881-1885. The official title of this revision of the KJV is,

    THE HOLY BIBLE
    CONTAINING THE
    OLD AND NEW TESTAMENTS
    TRANSLATED OUT OF THE ORIGINAL TONGUES
    BEING THE VERSION SET FORTH A.D. 1611
    COMPARED WITH THE MOST ANCIENT AUTHORITIES AND REVISED
    A.D. 1881-1885
    Newly Edited by the American Revision Committee
    A.D. 1901

    It is also properly known as the Standard American Edition of the Revised Version of the Bible.

    It was copyrighted in 1901 by its publisher, Thomas Nelson & Sons. For some time, the American edition of 1901was also printed and distributed by the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, Inc. (Jehovah’s Witnesses).


    The Revised Version of 1881-1885 was published by the Universities of Oxford and Cambridge. In the United States in was printed in New York by Oxford University Press and Cambridge University Press. Compared to the American edition of 1901, it now seldom met with in this country.

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    At least one of them did, The Logos Complete Study Bible, published by Logos International, Plainfield, New Jersey. It is the most comprehensive study Bible of which I am aware (2,604 pages).

    The ASV, however, is now more than a hundred years old, and therefore does not reflect ANY of the Bible scholarship that took place during the past century, making it VERY antiquated for Bible study.

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  12. Phillip

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    The historical book that I am reading "God's Secretaries" (not a KJVo book, strictly history) seems to indicate that it was called the King James Bible from day one. Implying that it was named by default by the translation committee that was over the entire group.

    AV only came into existence when a printer would print that it was an "Authorized Version". In other words, the King had permitted that particular printer to print it. This was added even more when the Americans started printing their own KJV's without getting permission or paying royalties to the King of England.

    At first only one printer was "authorized" and a little later, two printers were "authorized". These printers simply wanted to make certain that people knew that their print shop was approved by the King to print copies. It was simply a "printers approval". Nothing more. Just like Microsoft putting holograms and certificates of authenticity on their CDs so that people know that it was not a bootlegged copy.

    It was illegal to own a bootlegged copy of the KJV. This one simply one of the rebellions the Americans used against the mother country.
     
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    Thanx, Phillip.

    Guess I'm gonna hafta read that book.

    Much ado is made by the more unlearned of the KJVO crowd over authorization. They say KJ never authorized the AV, but GOD caused it to be called the AV. However, the title page of the AV(and of more than one later edition) bears the words, "by His Majesty's special command". I understand that the AV translators had already been chosen before QE1's death, but that the clerics wanted to give KJ time to sit on the throne before they "sounded out" his beliefs about the Bible in general before asking his permission to make the new version. He readily agreed, of course, and even gave financial aid to the project.

    Wonder if TV gameshow host Bob Barker is a descendant of the king's printer Bob Barker?(LOL)
     
  14. Phillip

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    Apparently, King James liked his alcohol quite a bit. It was said that some wild parties took place in the palace. ....sounds like a good Catholic to me.
     
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    Phillip,

    The ASV is available on e-sword.com

    In Christ,
    Trotter
     
  16. Keith M

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    Apparently, Thomas Nelson & Sons thought they would keep the ASV around for a while. When I was a younger man, let's just say sometime in the past 25 years, I purchased a new ASV. It has copyright dates of 1901 (by Thomas Nelson & Sons) and 1929 (by International Council of Religious Education (to insure purity of text)). The printed edition contains both the "Preface to the American Edition" and the "Preface to the Edition of 1885" at the front, but I can find no other copyright or printing date, even on the maps at the back of the Bible. The print is of an older style, similar to what may have been found in books printed in the early 1900's. There is a Nelson catalog number of 754 on the Bible's spine, but there is no ISBN number.

    There is an online version available at StudyLight.org.
     
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    The KJB is nothing more than an affectation. It calls itself the King James Version. If that was good enough for the Apostle Paul, it's good enough for me. :D I must also agree putting the name "Holman" on the HCSB is a bad move, just adds fuel to the fire for the onlyists.

    As for the "old" ASV, yes there is. I have one my grandfather received as a wedding present in 1937.
     
  18. BruceB

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    http://www.starbible.com/

    This company still publishes copies of the 1901ASV. I don't own one so I cannot testify to quality of construction or printing.
     

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