Bible teaches total abstinence from alcoholic beverages

You talk about drinking in moderation. If the taste is what you like, then why not drink non-alcoholic beverages? Otherwise, it is obviously the tingly feeling you get when you drink alcoholic beverages.

Isn't alcohol one of the worlds most used/abused drugs in the land? Alcohol kills, physically and spiritually.

Here is a site that covers everything else I am trying to say. http://www.touchet1611.org/Wine.html

 

I've tried non-alcoholic beers. They're awful.

Your average n/a beer is either bland or bitter. It's like drinking Keystone.

If you're drinking moderately, you shouldn't be feeling a "tingle".

Sadly, yes, but for every knucklehead who abuses it, there are many, many more who enjoy it responsibly.

When abused, yes, but for the umpteenth time, we're not talking about abuse.

I thought you said you were done.

Mike

 

I'm done. May God bless you all.

 

One of the fastest growing churches in Australia Is Pub Church. Many who would never attend church are happy to come along and are amazed at what Christianity is about. The stiff rigid 2 hour Sunday Morning Service had no part in the early church.

 

HomeBound said:

What, Isaac just became stupid and blessed the wrong person. I think alcohol was the factor here.

I'm glad you qualified that with "I think," because Genesis 27 says only that he drank wine with his game. It does not say that he became drunk and his judgment was impaired. That is your assumption - and therefore you are guilty of arguing in circles.

The Bible is quite clear that Isaac was taken advantage of because he was blind, not because he was drunk.

I think the passages you are talking about which are positive, is most likely grapejuice that was used.

Another circular argument. You are presuppositionally committed to the assumption that alcohol==bad, and now you are simply taking evidence to the contrary and redefining it so you can shoehorn it into your assumptions.

Besides, I thought you believed the King James Bible? It says wine, not grape juice. Wine means wine.

Don't you think that if alcohol was okay to drink in the Bible, someone by now would have started a "Holy Bar,"

A Christian can lawfully patronize the local pub, just as he can lawfully patronize the local supermarket.

 

HomeBound said:

You talk about drinking in moderation. If the taste is what you like, then why not drink non-alcoholic beverages?

I do - when it suits me.

And I also drink wine and beer - when it suits me.

Otherwise, it is obviously the tingly feeling you get when you drink alcoholic beverages.

It is by no means "obvious."

Isn't alcohol one of the worlds most used/abused drugs in the land?

Isn't sex also abused? Shouldn't we therefore give up women?

 

Do Christians have a responsibility to show others how to drink alcoholic beverages responsibly? This is an interesting article - www.razormouth.com/cgi-local/npublisher/viewnews.cgi?category=all&id=1035358106

[ October 25, 2002, 03:41 PM: Message edited by: Ken Hamilton ]

 

Okay, I'm wading into this topic without reading all of the posts... I'm a late comer.

I don't drink. My church doesn't believe in drinking, even a little....... But the Bible does say to drink a little wine for thy stomach's sake. And there are other references to drinking wine. Now I know there are common beliefs that these references are to new wine...in other words unfermented grape juice. And there is also an admonision to "Be not drunk with wine wherein is excess"

So, I would surmise just from what I have read that it's okay to drink a little wine as long as you don't drink enough to get drunk.

Some people can't draw the line on how much that is...some can.

 

Proverbs 20:1  ¶Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise.

Even if they didn't have beer, vodka, etc., in Biblical days, this about covers it, doesn't it?

Would you be just a little embarrassed if you were just having "one" when Jesus came back for you? Would you offer Him one? Would you ask Him to "hold up on that 'in the twinkling of an eye' so you could finish just that one?"

 

I'd be a little embarrassed about a lot of things and so would you. Again like most 1852 confession people you take the passage in Proverbs out of context. It's talking about drunkeness which everyone here condemns.

 

Hellooooooo ..... Farley..... What version you reading? You might want to take another peek at Proverbs 20. It does not contain the words "drunk" or "drunken," at least in the KJV I cited. The first verse does not set the context of that chapter. It is a chapter of many subjects.

"1852 confession people?" - were you judging or just doing a little early morning discerning, brother?

 

Yes. Wine, beer, vodka, etc. I think the principle here is against drunkenness, no matter what you drink to get drunk.

Not at all. Why would I?

It would seem rude not to, but we know from the Bible that He's more of a wine guy, so I don't know if he'd enjoy it.

 

Jesus offerred the Passover cup (which had passover wine in it) to his desciples. So yes, if JEsus came into my home and sat down with me at my table, and wine was part of the meal, I'd offer him one.

 

I make elderberry wine each autumn - I find that an eggcup full with a spoon of honey, (warmed by an open fire....or in the microwave),the former my favourite - helps soothe the discomfort of colds.. - does this make me a bad person ? worse than most, as I make it, as well as drink it.
moderation is what it`s about - and self control.

 

I appreciate your description of the lovely time you have drinking. I am sure that story plays well with those who are impressionable. As to self control, if you truly are able to practice it then why not skip the wine altogether. A cup of cocoa with those tiny marshmallows is good by the fire, and I don't anyone who can be harmed by that.
Murph

 

I have faintly heard of elderberries. Boy, that sounds delicious. Would you mind sending me a PM with the recipe?

I might have to try it on those cold nights when the temperature is too low for me to sit on the back porch without some warmth!

Rev. G

[ November 08, 2002, 07:54 PM: Message edited by: Rev. G ]

 

P. S. (Perhaps I should move out of the US and to the UK - I'd like to have a pint while discussing the Scriptures with some mates, then toss some darts.)

[ November 08, 2002, 07:55 PM: Message edited by: Rev. G ]