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Bible Version Questions

Discussion in 'Bible Versions & Translations' started by Nicholas25, Oct 6, 2008.

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  1. Salamander

    Salamander New Member

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    The NKJV translatorssuper-imposed "God" for a male in Job 24:22. The KJB translators got it right, so at least the NKJV translators detoured away from the TR in just that one place. The claim is valid.
     
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  2. NaasPreacher (C4K)

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    Wow! And all this time I though the TR was NT Greek.

    Which version of the TR has Job?
     
    #62 NaasPreacher (C4K), Oct 10, 2008
  3. Dr. Bob

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    Everyone does, I trust, understand that the AV translators did NOT use the TR Greek text (which didn't exist for nearly 20 more years). There own records show they used a special blend on Greek texts that was then "lost" to the next generation.

    For accuracy to the claim at the NKJV used the "same" Greek text, the NKJV translators scrupulously worked backward from the AV itself to be sure they were going back to the exact blend of Greek texts used 400 years ago. Good reading to peruse their meticulous work on being sure they DID have exactly 100% the same Greek choices.

    Thankfully, they put them in modern English so ploughboys could understand.
     
    #63 Dr. Bob, Oct 11, 2008
  4. 2serve

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    That's interesting. When I went to school you got in trouble for not listening in class.

    OK class! who heard me suggest that I was talking only of the New Testament? Anybody; Anybody; Beuler; Anybody?
     
    #64 2serve, Oct 12, 2008
  5. franklinmonroe

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    Go back a read the OP; it is essentially about questions concerning the difference between the Textus Receptus (TR) and the "Alexandrian" Greek texts. That is, this is a New Testament topic.
     
    #65 franklinmonroe, Oct 12, 2008
  6. franklinmonroe

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    How many times does the AV's New Testament depart from the TR (the editions published before 1611)?
     
    #66 franklinmonroe, Oct 12, 2008
  7. franklinmonroe

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    Whatsamatter? Is this question toooo difficult? If it can be shown that the AV departs from the 'TR' just one time, then this ridiculous argument goes away, right?
     
    #67 franklinmonroe, Oct 14, 2008
  8. stilllearning

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    Hi Nicholas25

    The questions you asked in your original post, were quickly and accurately answered by Askjo in response #8.
    (Take his answers to heart, and don’t let anybody turn you from the truth.)
    --------------------------------------------------
    But I found Ed Edwards response, to Askjo’s answers, very interesting.

    He said.........
    In other words, “If most people believe something, than it must be right”.
     
    #68 stilllearning, Oct 14, 2008
  9. Mexdeaf

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    I don't see nothing "quick" or "accurate" here... lemme clean my glasses and try again... nope, ain't there.

     
    #69 Mexdeaf, Oct 14, 2008
  10. Mexdeaf

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    That shoe fits the "Only" crowd a whole lot better than it does the rest of us. :laugh:
     
    #70 Mexdeaf, Oct 14, 2008
  11. NaasPreacher (C4K)

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    With 800 supposed strayings of the NKJV from the TR seems like someone could show me 5-6.
     
    #71 NaasPreacher (C4K), Oct 14, 2008
  12. Dr. Bob

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    C4 - Maybe the "supposed" differences from the TR are the same as the places where the AV1611 differed from the TR.

    It is funny that the TR bunch still think THAT blend of documents must be the best and must be the one used by the AV. If they were so enamored with the AV, perhaps they should actually understand a tad bit of history!!

    :laugh:
     
    #72 Dr. Bob, Oct 14, 2008
  13. NaasPreacher (C4K)

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    Well, I do know of a dozen or so places where the AV diverged - maybe you are right and that is where the NKJV diverged as well.
     
    #73 NaasPreacher (C4K), Oct 14, 2008
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    Asko accurate?Not quite.

    Stilllearning,please learn from another source.
     
    #74 Rippon, Oct 14, 2008
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    #75 SeekingTruth, Oct 14, 2008
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    I wondered how far I could get comparing two earlier English Bibles before I found a difference. I got to the second verse:

    Gen 1:2 (Geneva Bible, 1599 Edition):
    And the earth was without forme
    and void, and darkenesse was vpon the deepe,
    and the Spirit of God mooued vpon the waters.

    Gen 1:2 (KJV1611 Edition):
    And the earth was without forme,
    and voyd, and darkenesse was vpon the face of the deepe:
    and the Spirit of God mooued vpon the face of the waters.

    I put bold the terms that the KJV1611 Translators added to the Bible, 2 occurrences of 'the face of'.
     
    #76 Ed Edwards, Oct 14, 2008
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    When they know the truth and then lie, I think calling them out on their lies is a good step short of suspending them.

    This isn't a matter of "interpretation" or "doctrine", like whether one holds to eternal security or not, or is a-mill v pre-mill. We allow great liberty and show great tolerance even if we think someone is totally wrong. But this is lying and is should not be tolerated on the BB.

    I'm trying to be gracious. ;)
     
    #77 Dr. Bob, Oct 15, 2008
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    Still Learning:The questions you asked in your original post, were quickly and accurately answered by Askjo in response #8.
    (Take his answers to heart, and don’t let anybody turn you from the truth.)

    No, he didn't answer with complete accuracy, and in some answers, NO accuracy.

    In particular is the one about the theory that Sinaiticus, etc. were in good condition cuz they hadn't been used. All that shows is that PARTICULAR COPY hadn't been worn out . Who knows how many copies were made, used, & turned to dust before our time?
     
    #78 robycop3, Oct 15, 2008
  19. Dale-c

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    Take me for example, I was raised believing in KJV onlyism. I was honestly mistaken. I really believed what I had been taught was true.

    When I studied for myself I and saw the truth, I had two choices:
    Change my belief and no longer be mistaken or:
    Keep my beliefs and no longer be honest.


    The KJO position is one of the most baseless beliefs I have ever come across.

    One thing I struggle with is that when pastors refuse to admit the error of this position it casts a bad light on all the do.
    It is hard to trust someone who will perpetuate errors like this.
     
    #79 Dale-c, Oct 15, 2008
  20. stilllearning

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    Hi Dale-c

    Nice response.

    You said.......
    What exactly did you study, that showed you the truth?
    (I would really like to know!)
     
    #80 stilllearning, Oct 15, 2008
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