Biblical segregation ?

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  1. Mickes

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    I have recently been told about biblical segregation, and find nothing in Gods word to teach it. I actualy find this coming from christians very upsetting ! If anyone could help in this teaching to clear things up ither way I would appreciate your input.
     
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    Gracious! Where ARE you looking then? Here's a link to a page full of verses!

    BIBLICAL SEPARATION
    Even the mere mention of the term "Biblical Separation" outrages the majority of today's professing Christians. Those who practice separation as the Bible commands are attacked for being without love for their fellow man, or labelled as overly legalistic. They are condemned from every quarter for posing a threat to the unity of Christians, and it is echoed from pulpits across the land that one who would even suggest not extending fellowship to another believer is heretical.
    The condemnation of those who practice "Biblical separation" is a WORLDLY and NOT BIBLICAL teaching. Let's briefly examine exactly what a "Biblical Separatist" is:

    DEFINITION: A Biblical Separatist is a Christian who withdraws from or will not associate nor cooperate with a church, group, body, organization or individual that :

    (A) Includes unbelievers and advocates teachings and practices which are contrary to scripture

    (B) Is apostate and advances apostate teachings and practices

    (C) Includes believers who aid, sanction, and advance apostates by their alignment and cooperation with them

    (D) Includes believers professing to be Christians who disobey and compromise clear Biblical teaching.

    There are many instances that God directs us to SEPARATE from others:
    http://www.iamnotofthisworld.com/biblesep1.htm
     
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    Are you saying that someone is trying to justify racial segregation from scripture? :confused:

    If so, ask them to show you where the Bible does so.
     
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    I think we need to clarify. Are we talking about Biblical segregation , separation according to race? Are we talking about Biblical separation , being not unequally yoked with non-believers?

    Main Entry: seg·re·ga·tion
    Pronunciation: "se-gri-'gA-sh&n
    Function: noun
    Date: 1555
    1 : the act or process of segregating : the state of being segregated
    2 a : the separation or isolation of a race, class, or ethnic group by enforced or voluntary residence in a restricted area, by barriers to social intercourse, by separate educational facilities, or by other discriminatory means b : the separation for special treatment or observation of individuals or items from a larger group &lt;segregation of gifted children into accelerated classes&gt;
    3 : the separation of allelic genes that occurs typically during meiosis


    Main Entry: 1sep·a·rate
    Pronunciation: 'se-p(&-)"rAt
    Function: verb
    Inflected Form(s): -rat·ed; -rat·ing
    Etymology: Middle English, from Latin separatus, past participle of separare, from se- apart + parare to prepare, procure -- more at SECEDE, PARE
    Date: 15th century
    transitive senses
    1 a : to set or keep apart : DISCONNECT, SEVER b : to make a distinction between : DISCRIMINATE, DISTINGUISH &lt;separate religion from magic&gt; c : SORT &lt;separate mail&gt; d : to disperse in space or time : SCATTER &lt;widely separated homesteads&gt;
    2 archaic : to set aside for a special purpose : CHOOSE, DEDICATE
    3 : to part by a legal separation : a : to sever conjugal ties with b : to sever contractual relations with : DISCHARGE
    4 : to block off : SEGREGATE
    5 a : to isolate from a mixture : EXTRACT &lt;separate cream from milk&gt; b : to divide into constituent parts
    6 : to dislocate (as a shoulder) especially in sports
    intransitive senses
    1 : to become divided or detached
    2 a : to sever an association : WITHDRAW b : to cease to live together as a married couple
    3 : to go in different directions
    4 : to become isolated from a mixture
    synonyms SEPARATE, PART, DIVIDE, SEVER, SUNDER, DIVORCE mean to become or cause to become disunited or disjointed. SEPARATE may imply any of several causes such as dispersion, removal of one from others, or presence of an intervening thing &lt;separated her personal life from her career&gt;. PART implies the separating of things or persons in close union or association &lt;vowed never to part&gt;. DIVIDE implies separating into pieces or sections by cutting or breaking &lt;civil war divided the nation&gt;. SEVER implies violence especially in the removal of a part or member &lt;a severed limb&gt;. SUNDER suggests violent rending or wrenching apart &lt;a city sundered by racial conflict&gt;. DIVORCE implies separating two things that commonly interact and belong together &lt;cannot divorce scientific research from moral responsibility


    I see nothing in the Word to honor separation by race, for there is neither Jew nor Greek, male or female for we are all one in Christ Jesus. The Ethiopian Eunuch became Phillips Brother in Christ at the point he received Christ.


    A servant of Christ,
    Drew
     
  5. dianetavegia

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    I didn't even notice the use of the word segregation... but read separation! I also hope you don't mean by race!

    Diane
     
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    This is a warning to me. When I get lonely I also get desperate. In the past I have been willing to accept anyone who remotely wanted to spend time with me. That has caused me problems because I am weak too. Making intimate friends with unbelievers can be dangerous. I don't mean being friendly, visiting, being kind, gentle or any good thing, I mean really trusting them and letting "my hair down" around them. It doesn't work for me. I've tested it thoroughly. [​IMG]

    I do gladly and with a sense of much privilege and honor spend time with unbelievers, I do want to win them, but I am always walking on "eggshells" around them. I can't help it. I don't like it but that is the way it is.

    When it comes to guarding my heart, I must guard it with all diligence.

    Dave [​IMG]
     
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    Any teaching about segregation being biblical or any teaching that says interacial marriage is unbiblical, is false teaching and it would be time to find a new church.
     
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    Segregation that is VOLUNTARY is a common fact. People of certain ethnic or national groups, or even certain age groups enjoy time with others of their same mindset.

    Most of our churches are voluntarily segregated. Few have great diversity of white, black, latin or asian within our congregations, even if the communities we serve are diverse.

    Wrong? No, just choices we make. The most segregated hour of the week is 11:00 a.m. on Sunday morning.

    Forced segregation, pulling white kids out of schools where blacks attend, looking with bias, prejudice or outright hatred at others for skin color or nationality? That is unbiblical. No question there.
     
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    No such thing as Biblical seperation by race.
     
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    I recently ran across a program on the Church Channel hosted by Bishop T.D. Jakes and a panel of Pastors from Ohio and OK. They were discussing racism and segragation in the church. It was said that white churches do not recongnise the biasis they have against non-white churches and even diminish the authority of leaders who are not white. This conversation of segragtion and seperatism alarmed me greatly. Are we guilty of not reconising the churches role in racism and segragatition. Did anybody else see this program? Their dialogue has caused me to consider am I bridging the segragational divide of racism in the Christian community. Is this something that needs to be addressed by Pastors, or is it just an old wound? Has this wound been healed in the body of Christ?
     
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    Biblical segregation sounds like a contradiction terms to me. The NT advocates that we see each other as children of God or as people needing to be ministered toward. If we segreated ourselves, how could we effectively minister to the unsaved?

    I agree with Dr. Bob that 11:00 am is the most segreated hour of the day (and week). I bet that comes from another barrier: unintentional intimidation on all sides.

    All of us still have some fear inside of us despite the Holy Spirit.
     
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    How do we overcome these fears. What are these fears. Is our segragation a sin?
     
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    im sure this will get the outrage, but that is because most christians learn to interpret their bible through the news media. we are so saturated in this time with the idea that racism is demonic or that segregation was a force of the devil, but all that has come from 6 oclock news broadcasts. the biblical record is not politically correct on this one. the Lord did in fact create separate races, divided them, set boundaries for them so that they would seek after him "haply". Acts 17:26-27 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation; That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us: (KJV)
    So he set their boundaries so they'd seek after him haply. In the OT you constantly see "racism" as God favored the Jews over all other nations, then commanded them not to intermarry, Deut 7:3 Neither shalt thou make marriages with them; thy daughter thou shalt not give unto his son, nor his daughter shalt thou take unto thy son.(KJV) Thats the forbidding of interracial marriages if you missed it. The boundaries are the main thing and you find that in Isaiah 10 the Antichrist is a unifier and it is HE that promotes the idea to tear down the God given boundaries to races. Isa 10:13 For he saith, By the strength of my hand I have done it, and by my wisdom; for I am prudent: and I have removed the bounds of the people, and have robbed their treasures, and I have put down the inhabitants like a valiant man:(KJV) A philosophy of the Antichrist will be race mixing and its apparently done to steal the treasures. Politically, for anyone with any background in communism, the federally enforced shoving of a couple of black folks (against their wills) into a white college in Mississippi back in the 60s was done to create a crisis that has now been going on for 40 years. Since that time the nations debt--the treasures--have gone from less than $600 million to over $6 trillion. The treasures have been successfully robbed and the country is broke. now none of this will go over well im sure, but the bible tells you the way it works out and who is behind it and why it happens.
     
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    Bryan,

    Sadly, your post is packed with error and misinterpretation.

    Acts 16v26,27 clearly deal with national boundries, not racial ones. It even states, "...he hath made of one blood all nations of men." To see racial segregation in to read one's bias into the passage. Nothing here to support your contention.

    The OT passages deal with God's chosen people. The same truth is taught in the New Testament where beleivers are told to come out from among them and be separate. The point is not racial, but of believer and non-believer. The book of Galatians begins with Paul's defense of bringing a Gentile (Titus) into the Church. Timothy was a result of a "mixed marriage."

    I will not weary other readers and posters with a long, detailed response to your theology. I well remember my years of racism and my shock and joy after salvation when I discovered that there was no biblical basis for it. I praise God for His deliverance from that spirit. There is no outrage on my part, the ideas you present are simply in error.

    I could present issue after issue "till the cows come home" but willeave it at this. Please Bryan, examine the scriptures to see if these things are so.
     
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    I believe that the "separation of the Jews from other nations was to keep God's chosen from paganism and idolitry. This was for spiritual purity not racial purity.


    A servant of Christ,
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    the seperation of the jews was for both reasons. Jesus Christ was to come through the Jewish lineage so not only was the spiritual condition of the Jews desirable, but there had to be a pure lineage as well. as for timothy being a product of a mixed marriage and about 75% of people today in general being that way... thats just the way its gone.. God said he divided the nations so theyd seek haply after him... well no one is seeking haply after God these days and the nations are all jumbled up. we threw the Lord out of the school via "prayer" immediately after we crammed the people together. the bible was right to start with.
     
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    Where does the Bible say that black, white, asian, hispanic, scandavian, germanic, etc, etc children should not go to school together?

    If your concept is correct Bryan, then the United States is a great abomination for it mixes peoples of all of the nations.

    I am not angry or upset with you Bryan, saddened for you, but will not be continuing on in this thread. Your posts are fallacious and nothing good can come from continuing on in this vein.
     
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    Colossians 3:11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.

    Revelation 14: 6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people.
     
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    But Bryan, Rahab the harlot from Jerico, and Ruth the Moabite were not Jewish, but were direct lineage to David, and thus direct lineage to the mother of Jesus.


    Separation by race is NOT Biblical. The Jews were to be separate for spiritual purity. Those who they married were to become Jewish, which is religion and not race.

    Mary the mother of Jesus has more racial kinship with the African black then she has with the white anglo-saxon European.


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    its nearly impossible to get what the Bible says about this unless you turn off your TV. Mary is actually a shemite, not a African from Ham nor a European from japheth. separation of race is not biblical you said, but in Acts 17:26-27, the reason for division was that the nations would seek after God. refer to my original post where i told you the history of the USA after government enforced integration followed by the Lord thrown out of schools officially. anyway, this discussion will never be biblical as long as folks use the TV guide to interpret their bibles and i wont mess with discussing it anymore cause it is such a touchy subject.. now that you have what the bible says about it.. do what you want to with it, but the Bible will never be politically correct.
     

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