Biden tap dances on abortion

You, being in favor of less government intervention surprise me for not agreeing with his view. You are saying the government should definitively decide what theologians and medical professionals can't and impose that view on all of society. Interesting...

 

A person chooses to have an abortion, they don't choose to be raped.

 

I guess now I'm getting a glimpse of your ungodly thinking. You are equating the victim of rape with the person who aborts their baby. You have it backwards. Your statement should have said: A person doesn't choose to be raped, and neither does a baby choose to be aborted. Of course, saying so would prove my original point, which you called "apples and oranges" and have yet to defend or elaborate upon.

 

And yet, not every rape results in a pregnancy. Each act of procreation (trying to think of an acceptable term for the board) does not result in a pregnancy. A pregnancy is a gift from God. Each life is a gift from God. Plenty of people have been born from mothers who were raped and chose not to abort and, in fact, you can't tell the difference between them and people who were conceived in an act of love - we are all human beings created in the image of God. So the rape argument is a strawman.

Check it out - she was conceived when her mother was raped:

http://www.juda4praise.com/index.htm

 

Does that include the poor, the homeless and all the other invisible people in our society? How about child abuse victims or starving children whose parents are too lazy to work? They can't defend themselves either. i would like to join you in the fight for all the defenseless people in our society. That's a cause I can be 100% for.

 

I have yet to see an invisible person. :tonofbricks:

BTW we have agencies such as child protective services to advocate for abused children and school lunch programs and food stamps and welfare checks for the children of starving children of parents too lazy to work. So they are not really being neglected as you seem to suggest.

Joking aside - what would be an example of an "invisible" person?

 

I don't think anyone has ever chosen to be aborted.

 

If the Supreme Court suddenly decreed that it was permissible to murder homeless people, I would be the first to speak out against it and seek for it to be overturned. Why won't you do the same for the unborn? Oh, that's right -they are not persons with rights in your view. How thoroughly unbiblical.

 

How sad. Sad indeed.

 

How sad, part 2.

Best I can figure, the murdered child didn't choose to be murdered.

 

As a Bible believer, If you study the subject Children are in the womb. Abortion is an act where the Child is killed. Period. Nearly 50 million since 1973. In the 30s and 40s Germany allowed 6 million Jews to be killed. Yet we have allowed many more children to be killed. If Bush and a Republican controlled House and Senate along with 7 of the 9 on the Supreme Court having been apointed by Republican Presidents couldn't or wouldn't make an amendment to the constitution to outlaw abortion, the I'll bet neither will McCain and Palin. It is the most important issue for me, but I don't see either party outlawing abortion. What I do know is that our national debt has almost doubled in last 8 years, oil has gone up 4 times what it was 8 years ago, housing forclosures sky rocket, banks going belly up. We need someone different on these issues. Obama on the Issues, (that either will change).

 

What verses do you use to support this theory? Certainly not Jeremiah.

 

Amazing, the power of that argument to modern western ears. "I don't believe in X, but I don't have the right to say X is wrong for others. Who am I to impose my values on them?" Possibly the most powerful argument ever devised by the mind of Satan. Christians seem helpless to find a reply. "God is against X," is met by the inevitable replies, "What God?" and "Where does God mention X?" and "X is not X; it is actually pre-Y and cannot be called X without Y."

Dragonfly and others that support the murder of children gloat while the rest of us struggle for some way to show what is right and wrong an age of overpowering relativism.

Lord, I pray your Spirit will pour out across this nation and culture.

 

This is from a sermon I preached on the sanctity of life:

In researching for this message I found something very interesting. We need to remember that the New Testament as originally written in Greek, and they had had more than one word for our English word, “child.” The most common word, found over 98 times in the New Testament is the word “TEKNON.” This word talks about a child in relation to a parent. But, there is an interesting word for “child” that is found only 8 times in the New Testament that sheds a great deal of light on what the Bible teaches about the unborn. Its the Greek word “BREPHOS.” These are the verses where it is found:
--Acts 7:19 - This man dealt treacherously with our people, and oppressed our forefathers, making them expose their babies [BREPHOS], so that they might not live.
--Luke 18:15 - Then they also brought infants [BREPHOS] to Him that He might touch them; but when the disciples saw it, they rebuked them.
--2 Timothy 3:15 - and that from childhood [BREPHOS] you have known the Holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
--1 Peter 2:2 - as newborn babes [BREPHOS], desire the pure milk of the word, that you may grow thereby,
--Luke 2:12 - And this will be the sign to you: You will find a Babe [BREPHOS] wrapped in swaddling cloths, lying in a manger.
--Luke 2:16 - And they came with haste and found Mary and Joseph, and the babe [BREPHOS] lying in a manger.

Now in these verses, the word “BREPHOS” describes a baby who has already been born. An infant child who is outside the womb. But there are two other verses that use this word:
--Luke 1:41 - And it happened, when Elizabeth heard the greeting of Mary, that the babe [BREPHOS] leaped in her womb; and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit.
--Luke 1:44 - For indeed, as soon as the voice of your greeting sounded in my ears, the babe [BREPHOS] leaped in my womb for joy.

Notice that in these verses the same word used for a child already born is used for a child still in the womb. I believe this makes it clear that God considers the unborn child as much a human being, as much a person as the child outside the womb.

 

I agree; I also don't think anyone has chosen to be raped.