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Billy Sunday rant a "sermon"

Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by Dale-c, Feb 27, 2008.

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  1. Dale-c

    Dale-c Active Member

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    They call this a sermon and yet I see the gospel is nowhereto be found. I see not one bit of scripture anywhere.

    This was no more a sermon fit for church than Dr. Phil, Oprah or Jerry Springer.

    I wasn't all that familiar with him but this "sermon" gains him the same respect level as the pope, the amish and anyone else that turns Christianity into a works religion.

    Read and correct me if I am wrong but I did not notice a single scripture reference in the entire article.

    http://www.billysunday.org/sermons/booze.php3
     
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    You're right Dale-C . I read it all the way through and did not find a hint of the Gospel or any scriptural reference whatsoever . I pity the poor folks of that generation who thought they heard a real sermon .
     
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    No wonder the church is weak today...
     
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    sounds idiotic to me.
     
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  5. Dale-c

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    No kiddding! I read on Wiki that even his own sons were alcoholics and one even commtted suicide. I didn't have time to look up the references but you can find them all htere if you care to.
     
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    My Safari web browser has a find feature so I searched for a few words in that sermon and here is what I found and note that the text in the sides of the page shows up in my search.

    Christ 0
    Jesus 0
    God 11
    Hell 20
    Heaven 2
    Wine 0
    Beer 7
    whiskey 36
    Booze 4
    Saloon 45
    Bible 0
    $ 27
    Church 10
    Dollar 13
    Silver 3
     
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    For a comparison, I found an article by the late D. James Kennedy.

    Billy Sunday is mentioned briefly in the article so I decided to do the same search to compare:

    Christ 45
    Jesus 13
    God 42
    Hell 0
    Heaven 3
    Bible 3

    Since it was not a sermon on "booze" there were no references about any of the other terms.
    But what a contrast!

    Billy Sunday's sermon has absolutely nothing that makes it distinctly Christian.
    It could belong to ANY religion that believes in a god and hell.
     
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    I remember hearing a talk from Gregg Harris (Josh Harris' (of I Kissed Dating Goodbye) dad) and he spoke of how Billy Sunday's sons were all rebels - but his daughter was different and grew up a solid believer. He spoke of how the daughter was older when he began preaching and he used that as an example of sacrificing your children for the "gospel" - which is not what God wants you to do. Your primary responsibility is to raise your children and alongside that is to preach the Gospel but to not set your family aside for the Gospel.

    I'm off to read the sermon.
     
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  9. tinytim

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    What sermon? That was a rant on alcohol.. .no Scripture= no sermon...

    Even Joel Osteen can do that good... even better! no.. forget I said that.
     
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    Exactly Tim! Catholics, Mormons and JWs could all agree with that "sermon" as long as they were anti alcohol.

    No Christ, no Grace, no scripture, no Gospel. No sermon. Just a political rant.
     
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    Very different styles, Osteen and Sunday.
    But what they have in common is that they both substitute the gospel for a particualr popular "law" of the day.
    Both preach law and not gospel.

    Did you notice that Roman Catholicism was mentioned twice in his rant and both times in at least somewhat favorable light?
     
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    If Dr.Bob was around then I believe he would have opposed Sunday's teaching I am sure.

    Though isn't it Dr. Bob who used to call himself a recovering pharisee?

    Perhaps he would have supported Sunday at one point in time.
     
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    That is not the Billy Suday *Famous* Booze message I have read or know about. I also noticed on the site devoted to Billy Sunday only has 2 of his sermons out of thousands he preached. What gives there?? Is it a new cite or something just set up? Anyhoo...

    (As I remember it) this is more accurately known as his *Famous* sermon on booze that I have read and seen cited by others referencing it.
    http://www.biblebelievers.com/billy_sunday_booze.html
    This web site at least has more than 2 so you can get at least a better idea of how he preached.

    Here is a little excert from the site:

    BTW - One more thing, Most preachers back then and even earlier (like Moody, Spurgeon, Wesley, et..) would read a passage and expound upon it the rest of the time rarely citing other passages if ever. This was a typical way of preaching unlike many today who will put 10 to 20 passages in scripture citing them for those who don't believe it is in the scriptures. Their group of people didn't question it, so to say "scripture says" or to paraphrase some verses meant that it was in scripture without needing to cite where the passage literally is. There are obviously more reasons for citing more passages but that was not a common thing in 'those' days.
     
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    What does that have to with anything?/

    Are you telling me that even in the scripture all men of God that had children, that all of their children were God-fearing as well. PLEASE.. get off your soap box and read a little more about the guy.

    What his children did as adults does not reflect upon his ministry, nor his devotion to Christ. It was THEIR decision to live in such a way.

    Did Wiki happen to mention if any them later in life came to know the Lord??
     
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    He wasn't preaching the Gospel nor the Law. We can substatute the early Reformers and their "laws" as well. Billy Sunday DID preach the Gospel, you need to do more studying yourself rather than 'rant' as well.

    I can say Catholicism has some good points to, so what? They believe Jesus Christ is God, died, buried for three days and rose again. They believe in the trinity, Jesus had to shed His own blood for the remission of sins. ext... I can use them in a 'favorable' light as well. He didn't say they WERE favorable. Get a grip or at least a better gripe. :)
     
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    Seriously though, I am curious Dale as to what got you to specifically go back and look into Billy Sunday and 'that' particular message (if you weren't all that familar with him)??
     
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    Billy Sunday was a great man of God in his day and also a great preacher.

    He was on a soapbox about 'booze', but you can't judge a man by one sermon.

    Is there a preacher here who has NOT had a sermon they would rather not be judged by?

    I cannot understand how we can condemn a man of God when we know almost nothing about him.

    People do your research and then state your opinon.

    I'm sure you don't throw the whole newspaper out when you read one thing in it that you disagree with...
     
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