Billy Sunday rant a "sermon"

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I'm glad I don't know Billy Sunday.

 

I am sure we will meet him one day.
As I believe he was truly saved...

But I think he got caught up in the cultural wave at the time, and the crowds cheering him on, and... well, you get the picture...

NO preacher is perfect... So we shouldn't try to find perfection in him.

BUt I do think that through the righteousness of Christ we will see him one day... and he will fully understand the Grace of God!

 

In that day and age those who did those works were evidence of a person that wasn't saved. What does the Bible say:

2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

Billy Sunday preached that a saved person lived a saved life; that he didn't exhibit the works of the flesh in his life. He is right. You should never find a Christian in a bar.



The Bar

By a convict serving a life term in Joliet Prison, Illinois

The Saloon is sometimes called a Bar,
A Bar to heaven, a door to hell
Whoever named it, named it well;
A Bar to manliness and wealth
A door to want and broken health;
A Bar to honor, pride and fame
A door to grief and sin and shame;
A Bar to hope, a bar to prayer
A door to darkness and despair;
A Bar to honored useful life
A door to brawling, senseless strife;
A Bar to all that's true and brave
A door to every drunkard's grave;
A Bar to joys that home imparts
A door to tears and aching hearts;
A Bar to heaven, a door to hell
Whoever named it, named it well!

God's Word says: "Nor thieves, not covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God." (1Cor.6:10)

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Probably no doubt. I just get a kick out of these people that make this their life long mission and don't have a clue what the Bible says because they got their "anti-beer" goggles on. :laugh:

 

But that is not what he said.. he said a voter will not go to heaven.


And once a person is saved, they are a child of God.. not another title like drunkard.

Once a person is saved, they are saved, period. Nothing can undo it.
Nothing.

I know you believe that, and I do understand that in that day and time those things were the fruits of the unrighteous...

But what about today...
Cards, dancing, social drinking... etc.. all are sins based on the culture you live in. A German Christian can set down to a meal and drink his beer, and not sin. Just as long as he stands up when he has to get rid of it!!! :laugh: (OK, another thread !!!)

 

Let me draw you a picture so you can better understand Billy Sunday's preaching in the light of today's Christianity.

Christians need to draw a line. On one side of that line is Godly living, and on the other side of that line is the world and a worldly life. On the polar extremes of each side are the cross and the devil. Billy Sunday preached holiness. He preached that one ought to stay as far away from that line as possible and as close to the cross as possible. That is not legalism as it is sometimes referred to in our society. It is not works salvation as it is here referred to. It is living a holy life with good works and the fruit of the Spirit as a result of holiness. God wants you as close to the cross as possible.

Today, however, Christians not only walk as close to the line as possible, they walk with one foot across the line. They straddle it with one foot in the world and try to say that they can still live a Godly life at the same time. They say that they can drink their beer and please God at the same time. They say that their is nothing wrong with dancing and perhaps even smoking. They love their world. They live as close to that line as possible and are far removed from that old rugged cross that our Lord and Saviour died upon.

But what does the Bible say about that. With burning words that condemn the heart James writes:

James 4:4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.

To be a friend of the world is to be the enemy of God.
Satan has you right where he wants you.

 

That seems to be more of a political speech than anything resembling a sermon.

 

Amen, DHK.
Sadly, many who profess Christ see no wrong in embracing the works of darkness.

 

I am not condoning unGodly living. Also, was the bolded part a reference to me personally? I only get tired of PEOPLE deciding what unGodly living is. I'll stick with God. It's PEOPLE"S opinion that having a glass of wine is ungodly, the Bible clearly states otherwise.

 

I am sure the bolded part was directed at any who think they can serve two masters.

One can say one does not participate in certain sins, but if one does not stand against that sin, but rather says that it is ok to promote, one indeed has participated in that sin. This particular sin being promoting alcohol and thus putting a bottle to one's neighbor's lips... uncovering their nakedness.

Read Revelation 3, Christ said even though some were clothed in fine linen, they were naked.


When you promote drinking by voting for saloons, you are bringing woe unto yourself just as Habakkuk prophesied and John foretold.

 

Did I ask for your opinion? My post was directed to DHK the moderator.

 

But you cannot determine from that single action (voting) if one is saved or not.

I repeat...you cannot determine from that single action someone's salvation.




Remember...I speak as one who is a tee-totaller.

 

Yes, Billy Sunday was involved in the Temperance Movement of that day. So not every "sermon" would be a hell/fire/brimstone gospel message. Many of them would be just like that one--directed right at the prohibition of alcohol.

 

BTW, I have NEVER voted for the sale of alcohol.

 

I asked you a question DHK.

 

Look again at my statement:

You do not fit into a plural noun. No it wasn't to you personally.

 

So you weren't telling me "Satan has you right where he wants you" in the bottom of that post? It is only opinion that having a glass of wine is wrong. The Bible says different.

 

No, my post was directed at all worldly Christians.
All Christians who fit the description of James 4:4

 

But God's Word can determine that person's standing.

Habakkuk 2:15 Woe unto him that giveth his neighbour drink, that puttest thy bottle to him, and makest him drunken also, that thou mayest look on their nakedness!

God's Word declares woe to the one who promotes that drink that makes one drunken.

By one stating on this board for all who may read that it is ok to drink is putting a bottle to your neighbor's lips. Many who will not be able to stop after the first drink. Many who will die a drunkard's death and end up crying from hell for one drop of water to cool his or her tongue.

Do you think God will say to that one, "Oh well, you are saved, so I am not going to punish you"?
How many is that one reaching for Christ as opposed to reaching for the devil when promoting that drink that dooms thousands, if not millions?

Are we to preach Christ? or satan?
Are we to promote God's Word? or satan's devices?
Are we to walk as Christ walked and preach against sin? or turn a deaf ear and a blind eye to those who are lost?

Habakkuk 2:15 Woe unto him that giveth his neighbour drink, that puttest thy bottle to him, and makest him drunken also, that thou mayest look on their nakedness!

When we see one who is lost, do we point them further down the road to destruction?