I don't want to hijack the homosexuality thread, but the claim was made there that birth defects are not the result of sin and that they are not bad. That blew me away. The very word 'defect' gives an idea of what is going on there! A birth defect is when something goes wrong. They come in all manner of severity, from the embarrassment of an extra finger or a birthmark on the face to the lethal spilling out of a brain or guts. They can be hidden, such as the one in my knees (I have cartilege where I shouldn't have it and don't have it where I should) or horridly obvious, as with cleft palates and lips or worse. I cannot even begin to describe the horror of some of the birth defects I have been aware of and seen, many of which are lethal. I would want to mention also that even though a birth defect might be hidden, as mine is, pain or limitation can be present. Did God do this, or did He allow it? Are birth defects the result of a fallen creation due to sin, or are they apart from that and from God? I know, as Romans 8:28 says, that God allows only those things to occur which can and do work for the good of those who love Him. That does not mean He is the author of those things, though. Death is the result of sin. A great number of birth defects result in death. Some simply cripple for life. Some, such as mine, simply mean you battle pain, to some degree or other, every day of your life. None of this is part of a 'very good' creation. it is all part of a fallen and dying creation and we did that through sin. The fact that God can use even these horrors to bring glory to Himself shows HIS incredible abilities and power. That He limits these horrors to what He can use I am totally grateful for. That He might be the direct cause of these things I totally reject. Jesus healed the sick. He did not make well people sick.