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  1. percho

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    We are born from our mothers to enter this world.

    What are we born from to enter the kingdom of God?
     
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    "What are we born from to enter the kingdom of God?"

    One way you could say it is to change our whole way of thinking, to take on the mind of Christ. We no longer think the way the world or religious people think.

    Mathew 18:3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
     
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    Spiritual death... We are born from our mothers in a spiritually dead state. When we enter the kingdom of God we are born from spiritual death into life.
     
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    I am not sure of your use of the word "from" in the both the statement and question.

    Are you using the word from as in someone coming from, are you using it in terms of being away from, or are you using the word as a statement of relation ship to as, cocoa is derived from the cocoa bean?
     
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    When we are born again and enter the kingdom of God after a while, some a short while and others a long while, we die and we who died as flesh and blood become the dead in Christ. Now even though we entered the kingdom of God before death we can still not inherit the kingdom of God as we died. However, "as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly." Or "Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is."

    Is this image of Christ that we shall put on, the image he had before his death or the image he had after this was said of him? "And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all [things] he might have the preeminence. And here, "For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate [to be] conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren." (brothers so born)
     
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    Commonly described as "already but not yet..." :thumbsup:
     
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    I am using born as in to be.

    When is it that you is a perfect spiritual man, fit to inherit and or enter the kingdom of God?

    Is it before or after the appearing of the Son of Man coming in his kingdom?
     
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    You were doing fine until your last question. Then you asked something akin to will a square fit a round.

    We are perfected for the kingdom when we are finally glorified, and that is whenever it is -- I expect from a very cursory reading of Revelation that the time would be the second resurrection for those who died prior to the end times events, and during the first resurrection for those who Christ raised up to be with Him during the millennial reign.

    Rev 20:4-6 Then I saw thrones, and seated on them were those to whom the authority to judge was committed. Also I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for the testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. 5 The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is the one who shares in the first resurrection! Over such the second death has no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and they will reign with him for a thousand years.
     
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    I agree for I think the following would make my question inaccurate.

    For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

    God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee. And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all he might have the preeminence.

    The following was the verse I had in mind also.

    I charge [thee] therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;

    How About.

    Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
    Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

    Is that something to look forward to or is it our present state of being?
     
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    The answer is - Both.

    From God's view, we are complete and sinless in Christ. Believers are now the sons of God.

    From the human point of view, we grown wanting to released from the vile sin prone flesh.

    From God's view, the believer cannot commit sin - for Christ is in him and therefore the human is born of God.

    From the human view, we have Christ to intercede and to which we confess knowing that He will forgive and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

    "For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. The Spirit itself bears witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:..." Romans 8
     
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    The Holy Spirit of God.
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    God.

    1 John, . . . whosever is born of God . . .
     
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    And if children then heirs. Heirs awaiting their inheritance. Waiting to hear said, "thou art my son this day have I begotten thee."
    For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren (brothers).

    Conformed to the image being directly proportional to the firstborn among many.

    Presently heirs of an inheritance.
    That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
     
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    How about begotten by HS into?
     
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    Same ? as to MB.
     
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    Absolutely, We are convinced of the gospel by Him, we are Convicted by Him, And we surrender as a direct result of Him.
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