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  1. charles_creech78

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    Joh 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. Mat 12:31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
    Mat 12:32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
    Mat 12:33 Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit. Mar 3:29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:Mar 3:30 Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit. 1Co 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? So if the HOLY GHOST dwells in us born again CHRISTAINS and we say we can commit adultery and kill and lie and other such like sins what are you saying about the HOLY GHOST that you say dwells in you? Jesus said me and my father will come in and take up our abode with you and GO NO MORE OUT. He goes no more out but some of you say that you can commit such sins. You are saying the Holy Ghost is a unclean thing to them that clam they can do such sins. Well to all them that think that. Listen to what the word of GOD has said. Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. 1Jn 3:6 Whosoever : whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. 1Jn 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God Go ahead and say that seed that is in you is a unclean thing. Yes you shall know them by there fruit.
     
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    So, I take it that you have reached a state of sinless perfection or that you believe that you only commit really small sins that God overlooks and not any "big" sins.
     
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    The post is totally out of context and reaches flawed conclusions. Since you like to quote 1 John, or maybe it is 2 John, try the verse if we say we have no sin, we are lying to ourselves and the truth is not in us. Try the Lords prayer. If you have reached sinless perfection, then why would the Lord Himself instruct us to pray every day to forgive us our tresspasses. I believe if you will look up the context of the words committeth sin, that it is a continuing pattern, with no sense of Godly sorrow, or the Holy Spirit bringing you back in line.

    I know you would like to be in a perpetual sinless state above every other Christian, but I have news for you, you are not. If you will read Matthew, you will see that includes your thought life. Also, if you have read Scripture, you know that breaking one commandment is like breaking them all. Your system of assigning points to sin does not work with the Gospel, and those are not God's standards. God's standards are holiness through faith in Jesus Christ, and by His grace, and the Holy Spirit in our lives, we become more like Him each day. Before you claim a sinless state, you better examine your thought life really close, and you better remember false witness is also a sin.

    Your usage of red letters means nothing, as they are emphasized based on your opinion. And please, do away with the doeth, commiteth, and sinneth nonsense. It was spoken neither by the Lord that way or the way we communicate today.
     
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    Now that saturneptune has correctly reminded us that none of us is without sin, how do with interpret those verses in the OP?

    My take is, that we are talking about making sin the dominant practice of your life.
     
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    Taken in context with the rest of scripture, Tom would be right. It's about lifestyle pratices.
     
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    Amen. A person who is an unbeliever will sin and will sin because he wants to. It's his drive, it's his desire and he has no guilt that he's doing wrong. How many times have I heard "I'm a good person. I don't murder anyone. God won't send me to hell."

    A believer will still sin. There is no question about that. The vast majority of the teaching in the New Testament is how to live as a Christian and what sin is and how to avoid doing it. If we couldn't sin, that would be usesless teaching. But a believer has a new heart and will desire to please the Lord and with the Spirit in them, they will know when they've done wrong and feel the weight of the sin in their lives and repent.

    I thank God that He is faithful and just to forgive me of my sins when I fall.
     
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    Uncalled for remark! :(

    Given that poster is quoting a legitimate version of Scripture, these are the words used. While you are fully correct that the Lord didn't speak English (and I strongly suspect that poster does not speak this way in everyday talk, as well), this happens to be how the KJV (as found on Bible gateway, anyway) renders said verses, although he did fail to cut and paste I Jn. 3:6 accurately (and omitted I Jn.3:7, which I presume was because it did not say what he wanted it to say to 'prove' the point proffered.).

    If you get to cite your favorite version, and I get to cite my favorite version [whatever either of them may happen to be, for a given verse or verses (FTR, at various times I have cited from at least 30 different versions.)], then charles_creech78 gets to cite his favorite, as well, without such comments.

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    So some of you believe a born again Christain can COMMIT such a sin like I explained in the post at the top. Well all I have to say is if they can there is no diffrence in a sinner and a sinner you say that is born again. It is wrong to commit such sin. I am not saying I am sinless in any way. I get upset and get slack in the Lords work. But to commit a sin like I have posted I DO NOT COMMIT and will not commit. I was in bondage to sin like that at one point and the Lord lifted that bondage. I cried day and night because of that bondage. So is it right if a born again christain goes around and commit such sins and say that It is alright I repented and I have Jesus then and I have him know. Is that not say God is a unclean spirit. Jesus said he will never leave us. Me and my father will come in and go no more out. If he goes no more out and we say we commit such sins then we are guilty of blaspheme. I believe there is a sin unto death and a sin not unto death and the sin unto death a born again christain cannot commit. A sin not unto death is a sin I have explain I have done. Get upset or get slack in the Lords work or say something I did not mean. But to commit a sin unto death I cannot do. Let me explain. Killing is a sin right. Yes we all know that. First of all some people will say all sin that you do is commited. The Answer to that you are so wrong about that one my friend. Ok let me explain why you are wrong. Let say someone gets in there car which some of us do every day and they start driving down the road and someone steps out in front of the car and they kill them. But the police said it was a accedent. But that person still killed tthat person . It is still killing and killing is a sin. What kind of sin is it? Did this perosn commit this sin? Did he willfully do it? Let us say this peron was a born again Christain that killed this person. Some of you will say all sin is commit and the same. God said in his word he that is born of God CANNOT COMMIT sin. How do you COMMIT sin? Well if I want to kill someone I would want to plain it out. Or if I was married and I wanted to commit addultery I would need to plain that out to. Let us get back to the born again christain that accedently killed someone. Is this born again christain not born again because you say all sin is commit. Remeber GOD said he cannot COMMIT sin. Ether he is not born again or you are saying GOD is a lier. We all no God cannot lie or is it because there are two diffrence sins . A sin a born again christain can make and one he cannot make. This born again christain that killed that other person did not commit to killing that person or willfully killed him. He did kill him but not commit to it.He did not go out and say today I will kill a person with my car or willfully go to kill that person. It is a sin not unto death. God said that soul that sinneth against me shall surely die.If God is not teaching you what a sin unto death is then you need to go to him. 1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. You will not commit a sin like that willfully because you are born of God and God is in you and dwells in you. Who keeps our feet from going a stray.
     
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    Mr

    Which is worse, quoting scripture with personal highlights or making remarks without quoting any scripture at all?
     
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    All sin is transgression of the law. All of it. Even doing a little sin is bringing God along with sin as you say. Reading the passage, we see that there is A sin unto death - not a whole category. I do think that this passage is speaking of a specific sin that is being discussed - not a whole group of sins. In the context of 1 John, it looks like we're reading about heretical teaching - not normal sin, even including murder or adultery.

    It is VERY important to read Scripture in context otherwise we will be like the cults making it say whatever we want.

    Killing is not a sin. If it were, then God would have directed many in the Old Testament to commit sin and we know that God cannot do that. So your argument is negated. Sin is sin is sin.
     
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    It is a sin it is a commandment of God. Thou shalt not kill. Like you said if you break it you are guilty of it all. It is talking about breaking the law. What I do not get is. It says we are not under the law but you people are saying we can still do things in the law. You all keep bring up the law. He said if we trie to justifie our self BY THE LAW then we have fallen from GRACE. Like some of you bring up the scripture if we say we have no sin then you are a lier and the truth is not in you.This is not scripture for us to sin. Paul said SIN NOT. And just because you can sin like that does not mean all born again christain do. Just because you commit adultery still, kill and lie does not mean we do it. You take that scripture because you have done it and it gives you cloak on saying well if I don't say I have not sin then I am a lier and the truth is not in me. You have no cloak for your sins. I will tell you again we do not commit sins. Are you saying all this scripture that I give you is a lie. Paul was wrong.1Jn 3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
    1Jn 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
    1Jn 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
    1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
    1Jn 3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
    1Jn 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
    1Jn 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
    1Jn 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
    1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
    1Jn 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother. Does it say you know God if you commit sin. But according to some of you you do know God and you do commit such sins. The scripture says you don't know him if you commit sin. But I am not under the law like you want to be I am under GRACE and there my friends is the diffrence. For we all know that the law is for them that are under it. So if it says shalt thou not commit adultery it is talking to you that is under the law. What is under Grace the sinner or the born again christains?
     
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    So let me ask you this since you run in circles here:

    1) Can a Christian - one who is indwelt by the Holy Spirit - sin? I will define sin as "any failure to conform to the moral law of God in act, attitude or nature". I'm not speaking of the law of Moses but the law that is written on our hearts. This includes ALL sin - not just murder or adultery.

    2) Are there different kinds of sin? Little sins that we can do and big sins we can't? Can you show me where the list is in Scripture?

    3) Are there two different set of believers - those under law and those under grace? Are not all of us under grace who were washed in the blood?
     
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    I have already explain to you the diffrence in commiting a sin and just a sin. We born again christain CANNOT COMMIT SIN for that seed (JESUS) remaneth in us and we cannot sin. Yes we are all under GRACE but you and the rest keep bringing the law into it. Rom 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. But you say you can commit theses sins and be over taken in them but you say you are under GRACE. Rom 6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. But sins have dominion over you but you are under GRACE. Is it me. Or does what you are saying not makeing any sence.Rom 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
    Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness? Who do you obey? I obey Christ. Who servant are you of. I am a servant of Christ. He told me not to sin no more. There is that word sin unto death.Rom 7:5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death. There is that word again. What fruit are you bringing forth. Like he said.1Jn 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.(SIN)
    1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
    Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. Are you free from it or are you in bondage?
    Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: What is that sin in the flesh. Well like I said I sin. I getup set and get slack in the Lords work. But to commit a sin like some of you stat. Cannot will not do it. Like I said I am under Grace not the law. Who is the law for.1Ti 1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, 1Ti 1:10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine. How can you be under GRACE and commit such things? How do you know what sin unto death is annsni. Well here is how I know what it is.1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. 1Jn 5:16 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it. A sin unto death is a spiritual sin. Your soul dies to God. A born again christain cannot sin like this because he is born again of God. God is in him. The soul of that man cannot commit a sin a spiritaul sin. The soul can sin against God. He said the soul that sin against me shall surely DIE. But if you are born again you cannot commit a sin.
     
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    Please answer yes or no - Do you sin? Just yes or no, please.
     
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    I do not commit sin.
     
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    So which is it? Do you sin or do you not sin?
     
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    But you stated that you sin.
     
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    All unrightessness is sin and there is a sin not unto death. I do not commit sin unto death. I do get upset sometime and get slack in the Lords work which is unrightess. But I get chastised by God for it. But to commit a sin willfully sin I cannot do. I explained what that was on one of my post. Is getting slack in the Lords work or getting upset rightess? (no) But it is not a willful sin. Spiritaul sin it is not. The flesh is weak but the spirit is willing.
     
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    That is a pretty serious statement to make in the light of Scripture:

    1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

    Are you sure you don't want to reconsider?
     
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    Just curious, is this what all old regular Baptists teach, or just the ones in the foothills of the Appalachian Mountains.

    On another board, it seems that this ranking of sins is a common practice amongst the Appalachian Old Regular Baptists...

    It's a good way to remain prideful..

    YOU only call things you don't do.. "sin"

    Son, YOU have a rude awakening!
     
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