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Featured Bleedback of a US Imperial Wound

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by poncho, Jul 16, 2014.

  1. poncho

    poncho Well-Known Member

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    Who Is REALLY Responsible for America’s Wars?

    Americans are starting to understand that the U.S. is an oligarchy, rather than a democracy or a republic. (Even the chair of the Federal Reserve can’t really disagree.)

    That’s true of war-making and foreign policy, as well.

    Consummate insider Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson – former chief of staff to Colin Powell, the guy who wrote Powell’s famous speech on Iraqi weapons of mass destruction, and now distinguished adjunct professor of Government and Public Policy at William & Mary – notes:

    Who’s behind the White House, and who’s therefore behind U.S. foreign policy, more or less?

    I think the answer today is the oligarchs. Which would be the same answer, – incidentally, ironically, if you will - for Putin in Russia.

    The people who own the wealth, the people who therefore have the power and who more or less (and I’m not being too facetious here) buy the president and thus buy American foreign policy.


    Read More At: http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/05/oligarchy-controls-american-foreign-policy.html
     
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    Are you trying to confuse this debate with the facts? Just because someone quotes an article from a socialist magazine....
     
  3. poncho

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    CMG facts don't interest you. If they did we might be able to have a discussion about them instead of you always trying to stick labels on me to avoid a discussion about facts. It's pretty clear your paradigm is built from the ground up on something other than facts.

    My guess is your paradigm is built on the elite's patriotic propaganda. Anything that doesn't jibe with it seems to be inconceivable to you. So you do what you always do when faced with a few facts.

    Ignore them and apply labels. I think you're just afraid I'm right.

    The rest of the global population is waking up while you keep hitting the snooze button.
     
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  4. church mouse guy

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    You know, I just don't like socialistic thinking and I fail to understand why you quote a socialistic magazine?
     
  5. poncho

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    Because even a socialist can bring up pertinent facts.

    If you don't like socialist thinking why do keep defending the neocons? They're every bit as socialist as the democrats. They both steal money from some to give to others. The only difference is you refuse to admit it because your agenda aligns with theirs.

    Either you are anti socialism all the way or you're just kidding yourself.

    Besides rejecting facts just because you disagree with a person's politics is just another way of hiding from reality and burying your head in the sand.
     
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  6. poncho

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    U.S. foreign policy: Iraq, Iran and 100 years of failure

    TAMPA, November 19, 2012 — An Iraqi diplomat has called upon other Arab oil producers to “use oil as a weapon” against the United States. Fox News reports this as if it should come as a surprise.

    “The shocking statement from a democratic government in power only after the U.S. and allies ousted murderous dictator Saddam Hussein in a costly and bloody war laid bare the Middle Eastern nation’s true allegiance,” reports Fox.
    The detachment from reality exhibited by news organizations like Fox and Americans in general is stunning. Americans actually believe that Iraqis should be grateful that the United States invaded their country, destroyed their infrastructure, killed hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians and made homeless refugees of millions more.

    They also believe that after deposing a relatively westernized dictator and putting the Shia majority in power, the resulting government would not seek to retaliate against U.S. support for Israel.

    This is by no means an isolated incident. It is a recurring theme. Contrary to official myth, U.S. foreign policy has been a failure for the past 100 years, virtually without exception.

    We’re constantly told that the United States has a “special role” in the world, due to its status as sole superpower and the role it has played over the past century “defending freedom.” This is pure delusion.

    Read More At: http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/reawakening-liberty/2012/nov/18/us-foreign-policy-100-years-failure/
     
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    This is all so Hillary.
     
  8. poncho

    poncho Well-Known Member

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    Oh now CMG you're only saying that avoid the facts and you know it. :laugh:
     
  9. church mouse guy

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    As a Taft Republican and a Reganite, I think that your alignment with Hillary shows that you think as a San Francisco Democrat, as the Reaganites liked to call them. At any rate, you are now in opposition to Reagan.
     
  10. poncho

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    In other words you cannot refute any of the facts or history I've posted so you have to resort to whatever it is you're resorting to . If you had any kind of argument at all you lost it at or about your second post. :laugh:

    Thanks for putting your non argument up for everyone to see. :smilewinkgrin:
     
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    And thanks for telling us that socialists have valid points. Too bad you are so bitter against Reagan. You should be happy that your viewpoint will bring down the USA to your benefit.
     
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    Man you've got it bad CMG. I hope your fever breaks soon. Maybe then you can formulate an argument that isn't made of only insinuations and that strange kind of mushy murky reverse logic you've been putting out so much lately. :smilewinkgrin:
     
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    The Human Price of Neocon Havoc

    Exclusive: Neocons are the “masters of chaos” as they destabilize disfavored governments around the world. But real people pay the price as we’ve seen with Israel’s slaughter of four boys on a Gaza beach and an apparent shoot-down of a Malaysian airliner over war-torn Ukraine, writes Robert Parry.

    By Robert Parry

    Whether the tragedy is four boys getting blown apart while playing on a beach in Gaza or nearly 300 killed from a suspected missile strike on a Malaysian Airliner over Ukraine or the thousands upon thousands of other innocent victims slaughtered in Iraq, Syria, Libya and other recent war zones, the underlying lesson is that the havoc encouraged by America’s neocons results in horrendous loss of human life.

    While clearly other players share in this blame, including the soldiers on the ground and the politicians lacking the courage to compromise, the principal culprits in the bloodshed of the past dozen years have been the neoconservatives and their “liberal interventionist” allies who can’t seem to stop stirring up trouble in the name of “democracy” and “human rights.”

    Assistant Secretary of State for European Affairs Victoria Nuland, who pushed for the Ukraine coup and helped pick the post-coup leaders.

    Rather than work out reasonable – albeit imperfect – compromises with various foreign leaders, the neocons and their liberal allies insist on ratcheting up demands to such unrealistic levels that conflict becomes inevitable and the outcomes are almost always catastrophic.

    In Iraq in 2003, the neocons and many liberal fellow-travelers insisted that the only acceptable solution was the violent removal of Saddam Hussein through an unprovoked U.S. invasion. Though Hussein was ousted and hanged, the collateral damage included hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqis, including many children, along with the complete destabilization of the country.

    In Syria and Libya, many of the same U.S. actors – although in this case led by the liberal “responsibility-to-protect” crowd – pushed for the overthrow of the existing governments, supposedly to save lives and spread democracy.

    Read More At: http://consortiumnews.com/2014/07/17/the-human-price-of-neocon-havoc/

    There ya have it CMG is in locked step and holding hands with Hillary and the liberals in the all war all the time everywhere crowd.

    And trying to reverse it around so he can make himself think otherwise.

    That's just sad. I do hope you get well soon CMG.
     
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    Another part from the interview with the former CIA guy (that poncho linked)....
    Doesn't this all sound eerily familiar?
     
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    Martial law, secret concentration camps, black helicopters....yes, all in a conspiracy theorists imagination.
     
  16. poncho

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    So what most of it's been proven to be true now?
     
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