Bombing suspect 2

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  1. Sminasian

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    WHY am I feeling so sorry for this kid? I don't feel sorry for his brother, or the terrorists of 9/11, or any other terrorist. But this kid ,? I just feel SO sorry for him, it is breaking my heart because he is so young, and so brainwashed . I always try to see people the way Jesus sees them. Am I over the line with this one? I live an hour from boston, in RI and I really want to witness to this kid. Help him make things as right as they can be given what he did, and get him out of the cultish , terrorist mindset he is in. Am I nuts? Too compassionate? Off my rocker? :tonofbricks:
     
  2. Amy.G

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    You're not alone. I have had the same feelings. I remember my own son at that age and how he got entangled with an evil young woman that nearly ruined his life. It's easy for a young man to of that age to get involved with the wrong people.

    I certainly don't condone what he did and he should be punished to the fullest extent of the law because actions have consequences, but at the same time my heart breaks for him. It's hard to explain.
     
  3. InTheLight

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    I start to have sympathetic feelings for him and then I remember he is 19 years old, not 12, and that he constructed a bomb and brazenly placed it in a crowd. He knew what he was doing and is NOT a victim. He is culpable.
     
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    AND, even though it was widely reported that his bombs had killed an 8-year old child, he was partying with his friends like he had done nothing wrong.

    I pray someone leads him to Christ; but I'm having a hard time feeling sorry for someone who showed no remorse for the death, pain, and suffering he inflicted on others.
     
  5. 12strings

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    Not at all. both Justice and compassion are emulative of God's own character...even when they apply to the same person.

    LUke 35 tells us to love our enemies...and we will be children of most high...who is kind to the ungrateful and the evil.

    Jesus was said to have compassion for the crowds, because they were like sheep without a shepherd.

    Scripture also speaks of God's wrath towards sinners, his justice, his retribution...

    So, no, it think your sentiments are exaclty right...except that perhaps all of us should extend that to 26 year old, 40 year-old, and 60 year old terrorists.

    The practical applications of Romans 12 "Vengeance is mine" means that the only solution to terrorism, tribal wars, gang violence, and personal revenge is the gospel...Only in a Gospel worldview can I say about someone who has killed my family: "God will either redeem and change them into my brother in Christ...or he will repay them according to their deeds...either way, I need not seek my own vengeance...God can do better than I can.
     
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    No you are not too compassionate. It is such a waste of what might have been a productive life. He is or was a good looking kid. He was intelligent and had attended good schools. Unfortunately at age 19 the brain of most kids have not developed to the point where they think of long-term consequences.

    My guess is, and it is purely a guess, that his older brother talked him into helping him.

    This is such a tragedy for the victims, the victims families, the young man's family and for him.

    Yes, he must pay for the crime. That does not mean we cannot feel sorry at a wasted life.
     
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    U S Army units were amazed at the age comparison--- between themselves and some of the German soldiers----they would "feel sorry" for the young fellas---but all of the "feel sorry" stuff would vanish when the American units started "receiving fire" from some of those German kids not even big enough to hold a rifle properly ---- after receiving fire from the groups of teenage nazis---the American units would "get a fix" on the location---and simply call in artillary or air strikes---and pulverize the area

    Too compassionate?? All it would take is for them to set the bomb down by you knowingly---and the compassion would vanish!!
     
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    nothing wrong with feeling sorry for young people gone the wrong way, but everything's wrong with turning that compassion into leniency when the kid is put on trial.
    I felt sorry, and angry, that somebody with a bright future ahead of him as this kid was pulled into such a despicable act and indoctrinated into a vicious doctrine as terrorism.
    But remember, he was also an intelligent kid, he knew what he got into, and for all we know, he might've been the one who pulled his older brother in to terrorism, not the other way around.
    it is said he RAN OVER HIS BROTHER while he was being handcuffed by the police.
    now, we don't know that for sure, but that's another angle of the story.
    and think of what is not being said in all the stories.
    Somebody dropped the ball on these two, somebody who should've been looking after them and guiding them to useful adulthood neglected his duties.
    Think about it.
    There's just the two of them in this country, their folks are in Russia or Chechnya, they came here as small kids under the guardianship of somebody. Now the question is: HOW did they get past immigration ?
    Did they come in as legally adopted children of somebody who was granted immigrant status ?
    Who did they live with ?
     
  9. Bro. James

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    If God wills the man be saved, God will save him.

    In the meanwhile, our compassion is: lethal injection rather than hanging-- after due process of course.

    What about the fathers and grandfathers? They must give an an account as well.

    Even so, come Lord Jesus.

    Bro. James
     
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    Mt 18:6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.
    Mt 18:10 Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.
    Mt 18:14 Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish.
    Mr 9:42 And whosoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea.
    Lu 17:2 It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones.

    My brother and his wife run the Salvation Army in Cambridge Ma. They were dispatched to provide Pastoral care to victims and families at the hospitals in Boston. I too thought how wonderful it would be to give the gospel to this young man. God can still forgive him. But there are still mans consequences for what he did. Life in prison or death penalty?

    If a man kills another the bible teaches that he should be killed.
     
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    You don't have sympathy for other terrorists or this guy's brother? But your heart is breaking for bomber #2 that you call a "kid"? Your heart breaks to the point that you want to be with him and help him?

    We know nothing about him - personally - except his age and his general appearance based on that photo they keep displaying. You know, the one with the big brown puppy-dog eyes and the curly mop of hair that need combing.

    You are confusing youth and youthful appearance with innocence and literary tragedy. I can think of no other reason why your heart doesn't break for other terrorists in the same way.

    Was he influenced in a brainwashing sort of way? Maybe.

    Was he just acting on pure evil and hate that floods his heart? Maybe.

    Reserve your extreme sympathy until we hear more.

    Right now, I'm sympathizing the victims.
     
  12. Iconoclast

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    According to some on BB.....as the murderer is under age 20.....he is under the age of accountability....so he has committed no sin,if i understand their posts. He is not capable of knowing his right hand from his left...so we cannot judge him guilty.

    So with that reasoning we should release him from prison at once and suggest he not murder any more little children and other Americans ,if possible.
     
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    I feel you judge too harshly. To me the tragedy is his now wasted life.

    A life is a terrible thing to waste.
     
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    We should have some level of sympathy for him. To not have any would mean we are callous. That is a dangerous place to be in any event. But we also must be sober minded and not let our sympathy cloud our judgment as to what needs to happen. That would be to go to the extreme in the other direction.
     
  15. Iconoclast

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    Any life is a terrible thing to waste.....as he wasted the little boys life,and the police and the others.....he forfeited his life as a sacrifice to the demon Spirit he worshipped.

    if someone presents the gospel to him and he is saved by God, he still should be executed as a murderer..

    31 Moreover ye shall take no satisfaction for the life of a murderer, which is guilty of death: but he shall be surely put to death.

    32 And ye shall take no satisfaction for him that is fled to the city of his refuge, that he should come again to dwell in the land, until the death of the priest.

    33 So ye shall not pollute the land wherein ye are: for blood it defileth the land: and the land cannot be cleansed of the blood that is shed therein, but by the blood of him that shed it.

    34 Defile not therefore the land which ye shall inhabit, wherein I dwell: for I the Lord dwell among the children of Israel.


    The family missing the 8 yr old boy, the family of the slain police officer left to deal without the head of that home...that is the tragedy...not this guy who partied with friends after the murder.
     
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    Who has said this?
     
  17. Iconoclast

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    WD,
    Several months back...several posters offered this as the biblical answer to sin and it's origin,and when we "become actual sinners and accountable" if I get time to find it, I will post you the link in Pm as to not mention them openly.
     
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    OK, I never heard it being so old. I recall the Israelites under 20 being allowed into the promised land after the wilderness ordeal, but never heard those that age being unable to sin. Being unable to commit sin and being held accountable for sin are also not the same thing.
     
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    I don't believe anyone here has ever said that the age of accountability is that late. This is typical of you though. You take someone else's doctrine and blow it all out of proportion. Which makes you out to be a liar. Then you complain they don't believe what you have to say.
    MB
     
  20. Iconoclast

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    Yes,,they were using those verses from DEUT....trying to stretch them way beyond there intended purpose.....Sadly this tragic crime illustrates how that is not making sense at all.
     

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