Bragging on my DAD!!

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  1. calebreedgordon

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    If I understood him I think he is speaking from a strictly Calvinist position. That means I do not agree with him in regards to this message as it removes any responsibility from man. If God just pumps faith into us when ever He decides then there is no reason to believe the scripture that we can grow in faith by what we do, but in fact we can.
    I think he has misunderstood Hebrews 11:1 about what it is saying as well as Eph 2:8-9.
     
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    Calvinists DO NOT "remove any responsibility from man."

    The natural man can have all the "hope so" faith until he becomes constipated, but it is as worthless in getting the attention of God.

    It is the height of pride and arrogance for fallen sinful man to consider they can at their own will and timing be saved.

    God has never worked on man's timetable.
     
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    May that relationship never deteriorate!

    It takes hard work and thoughtful insight from you both, and I am proud that you are mature enough both in mind and spirit.

    For a son to brag on the father is outstanding! As a father of a now well grown son, I am embarrassed by his praise, because I know how very frail I really am.

    My dad was the smartest man in the world when I was a child. He became dumb, dumber, and finally the dumbest the older I got. Then one day, I was mature enough to see through his eyes. And from then on, the absolutely most smart and insightful man I have ever met was my own dad.

    I miss him now, but will soon fellowship together, again.
     
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    Then what is man's responsibility according to calvinist teachings?
     
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    In salvation, there is nothing that man can do that merits or acquires salvation. The mere mortal responds as a new born in salvation. The new born had no determination as to conception or delivery, but certainly cries out in new life.

    Remember, faith is the substance of things hoped for (the natural man does not see substance unless it is verifiable) and the evidence of things unseen (the natural man relies upon scientific verification of the unseen)

    Therefore, the natural man has no ability of faith that would meet the standard in God's salvation nor living.

    In living, the believer is to "add to their faith" and "build upon the faith" ornamenting the faith in such manner as pleases God.
     
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    So let me ask you again.
    Then what is man's responsibility according to calvinist teachings?
     
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    As far as being lost, man is sinful.

    All men are sinful.

    It is part of their fallen nature to sin.

    Fallen and saved are responsible for all have sin.

    The condemnation and penalty of sin has been purchased by the blood of Christ.

    To the believer there is "therefore no condemnation..."

    To the unbeliever there remains certain judgment.

    Some Calvinistic thinkers would hold that there is within each person a faith which, when placed under the illumination of the gospel, has then the ability to believe.

    I do not see that in the Scriptures, for then salvation rests upon man's ability when it is abundantly clear salvation rests totally upon the unmerited favor of God.

    From man's view, that may present God as unfair.

    But, it is God that knows the heart of every person, and God that purposes who is to be saved.

    Some would say, "Then God purposes some to be lost."

    No, mankind is already lost ("condemned already").

    God decides to save some is according to HIS "grace" (unmerited favor) and has nothing to do with station, wealth, culture, intellect, ...

    God has no edict or reason to save anyone. He does so because in His Sovereignty He deems it as good.

    From Adam all have sinned, and God is under no obligation to save anyone.
     
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    I understand those views are out there,but you said under Calvinism they do not teach that men do not have any responsibility. So again let me ask you what is man's responsibility according to Calvinist teachings?
     
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    I placed the Calvinistic thinking in the answer.

    I placed my own thinking and why it might be divergent from Calvin's thinking.

    I placed God's authority over the whole in the answer.

    I answered the question.

    Did you like the answer? Of course not.
     
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    Permit me to ask. Should a man, any man trust God for his salvation? If the salvation of man is not totally in the hands of God rather than man's response to something that God did then the coming of Christ was for naught.

    If man has a responsibility in his salvation it has always been the same.

    God created Adam put him in the garden planted trees and said choose. We know how that worked out.
    God led his people out of Egypt carried them to a mountain gave them his laws and said choose. The people said all that the Lord has said we will do. The Old Covenant. Well we know how that turned out.

    Now you are telling me God sent his Son. We hung him on the stake. God raised him from the dead to life again, and said, Choose???

    How do you think that will turn out?
     
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    Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this [is] the whole [duty] of man.

    And even that will not bring him salvation.
     
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    :thumbs: agreed but if we are kepping them it shows we are saved.
    1John 2:4
     
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    :thumbs: :thumbs: Acts 5:32 and we are His witnesses of these sayings, and the Holy Spirit also, whom God gave to those obeying him.'

    John 14:15,16 `If ye love me, my commands keep, and I will ask the Father, and another Comforter He will give to you, that he may remain with you -- to the age;
     
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    On www.sbc.net the church needs to change the URL of its website.
     
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    FAL, the OP said, "My dad and I have an amazing relationship!"

    ...and here you come with, "That means I do not agree with him in regards to this message as it removes any responsibility from man."

    Quite clearly, the OP admires his Dad and chose to share that admiration. What part of this don't you understand and in all reality, who really cares if you agree with his father or not?

    ...are you really that cold and callus? I wish my Dad were still alive so I could see him every day and tell him I love him..., but I'm sure you'd stand in opposition.

    What a sour disposition you have.
     
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    Oh man, THANK YOU! Some really need to get off their high horse.
     
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    I read in the OP

    "I just wanted to brag on this sermon he preached last Sunday.

    What Faith is and what it is not.

    (I only could upload 19 min. worth of the message, but you get the idea.)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RllEC...mment_received

    Let me know what you think."

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    Seems to me that he opened it up to more than just bragging about his dad.
     
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    From the tape, "...the measure of our Christian life will be in the faith." :thumbsup:

    Being a Christian should not be a burden.
     

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