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    LAW OF THE LAND
    Judge Moore stands firm
    Will not move 10 Commandments, announces Supreme Court filing

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    Posted: August 14, 2003
    3:30 p.m. Eastern


    © 2003 WorldNetDaily.com

    Justice Roy Moore, Alabama's Supreme Court chief justice who has been ordered by a federal judge to remove a monument of the 10 Commandments from the state's Judicial Building, announced today he will not remove the granite display and instead tomorrow will file for relief with the U.S. Supreme Court.

    As WorldNetDaily reported, U.S. District Judge Myron Thompson issued an ultimatum to Moore last week to remove the washing machine-sized granite monument inscribed with the Ten Commandments. The state could face a fine for each day the testimonial remains beyond Thompson's Aug. 20 deadline.


    Monument of Ten Commandments

    Moore lost an appeal July 1 at the 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals, which upheld Thompson's earlier ruling that the monument, due to its placement in the rotunda of the Judicial Building, was a violation of the establishment clause of the Constitution's First Amendment. The original suit was brought by the American Civil Liberties Union.

    Besides the Decalogue, the monument, which Moore had placed and dedicated in 2001, also features quotes from the Declaration of Independence, the U. S. Constitution, the Alabama Constitution and other historical documents.


    Alabama Supreme Court Chief Justice Roy Moore

    In today's declaration, which he made just a few feet from the monument, Moore said the bottom line issue is whether the state of Alabama has the right to acknowledge God, and he said the threat of fines imposed by the federal court should not deter Alabamans from fighting for the right to display the Commandments.

    "The acknowledgement of Almighty God is the basis for our justice system. It is the source of our law. It is the foundation of our country," he explained.

    "Separation of church and state never was meant to separate God from our government. It never was meant to separate God from the law."

    Moore asserted the federal courts, by their rulings against the monument, are restricting the First Amendment rights of Alabamans.

    "Today [the freedom to worship God] is being taken from us by federal courts who misuse the First Amendment as a sword to take away our rights, instead of a shield to preserve them for us."

    Moore then announced his plans regarding the granite display:

    "I have no intention of removing the monument of the 10 Commandments and the moral foundation of our law. …

    "Tomorrow, Aug. 15, I am filing with the United States Supreme Court a writ of prohibition and mandamus directing Judge Thompson to stop this wrongful interference with state government."

    In concluding his remarks, Moore said: "I have maintained the rule of law. I have been true to the oath of my office. I can do no more, and I can do no less – so help me God."

    Moore claimed the cost of the case to taxpayers has reached $125 million.

    "We are paying $25,000 a day on this case," he said.

    As WND reported, supporters of Moore will gather at the Capitol in Montgomery on Saturday to demonstrate their opposition to the removal of the monument. Organizers are expecting as many as 15,000 people to participate.
     
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    In 1980, I believe, the Supreme Court ruled that the ten Commandments are religious. This ends the debate for me. Moore is disobeying the law of the land, the law that he has sworn to uphold.

    Makes me glad that I didn't vote for him when I was a registered voter in Alabama.
     
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    Scott, how could you be the shallow. Apparently you never read the constitution of Alabama or of the US. The Supreme Court has been wrong about most things in the last 43 years.

    The 10 Commandments while being religious is also the bases of law. YOU CAN'T SEPARATE THE TWO.
     
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    Why can't you separate them? Even if today's laws are (at least in part) derived from the 10 commandments, that doesn't mean that the ten commandments is the law of the land today.

    Tim
     
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    I've read the constitution of the US. The Constitution of Alabama is extraordinarily long. However, the Supreme Court's job is spelled out quite clearly. Their rulings must be followed. Judge Moore is breaking the law. For a judge to break a law willingingly is a very sad thing.
     
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    Scott, They said Jesus, Paul, Peter, James, etc. broke the law too, but they were right and the law was wrong. Judge Moore is not breaking the Law, he is courageously defending it. Judge Thompson is the law breaker and should be impeached.
     
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    So, the Bible says that we must have the 10 Commandments posted in our courtrooms? The Bible says that we are subject to governmental authorities. What spiritual command is Moore following here?
     
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    I will let him answer that: "The acknowledgement of Almighty God is the basis for our justice system. It is the source of our law. It is the foundation of our country," he explained.

    "Separation of church and state never was meant to separate God from our government. It never was meant to separate God from the law."

    Moore asserted the federal courts, by their rulings against the monument, are restricting the First Amendment rights of Alabamans.

    "Today [the freedom to worship God] is being taken from us by federal courts who misuse the First Amendment as a sword to take away our rights, instead of a shield to preserve them for us."


    NUFF SAID
     
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    And not one single Scriptural passage undergirds what he is saying. That, to me, says a lot.
     
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    Do you vote for the pro-abortionists also?
     
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    Do you vote for the pro-abortionists also? </font>[/QUOTE]No, I usually don't. It is one thing to not do something that is allowed by the government. I don't smoke or drink, although I am allowed to do so by the goverment. However what Moore is doing goes against the law that he has sworn to uphold. If this was an issue that was explicitly held up in Scripture, then I could easily understand and would join in on the civil disobedience - for example, if a law was written and passed to deny Christians from gathering together, I would find a way to do it.

    However, what Moore is doing has no Biblical backing. Nowhere does God give the okay to buck the government for personal preference. As much as he believes that he is right, and he may be, the laws say otherwise, and for him to disobey what the government has set aside without Scriptural precedent is - dare I say - sinful.
     
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    So, the Bible says that we must have the 10 Commandments posted in our courtrooms? The Bible says that we are subject to governmental authorities. What spiritual command is Moore following here? </font>[/QUOTE]If the government passed a law that required the churches to pay taxes, would you abide by the law?
     
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    This has nothing to do with the topic.

    As for Roy Moore, he is defying the law he has sworn to uphold. He should be immediately removed from office, right after the feds go in and remove the monument. The 10Cs are just part of many biblical laws. They are religion. They are not the "law of the land". The Constitution is the law of the land.
     
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    Scott, I went back and looked at your question. You asked " What spiritual "reason is Moore doing this, Not scriptural reason. The two can go hand and hand, but the spirit can also lead someone without the scriptures. Now there is scriptural authority for him, but I do not know if he is claiming it or not. I will answer that question if you answer this one. By whose authority did Judge Moore get into his job? The people or by God?
     
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    Probably - we are to pay Caesar what is Caesar's and pay God what is God's. If the government decided to tax the church, I see no Scriptural reason not to follow what they ask.
     
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    So what is it - what is the Scriptural authority here?

    Judge Moore got the job because he was elected by people into the office, although God, being Who He is, had a part in it as well. However, He also had a part in bringing politicians such as Clinton, LBJ, Barney Frank, and others as well, so I'm not sure how this is going to help your argument.
     
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    American hero? Hardly.

    The Scriptures (of which he gives lip service) command that the laws of the land are to be obeyed unless you are commanded to sin.

    Removing the display is not a sin.

    Yeah, thanks for smearing our name further and wasting money in the process.

    Enough with this lunatic fringe that is trying to "retake" America for God. If you want to do that, focus on evangelism, not legislation. Good grief.
     
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    Gunther,

    Finally - a point at which we agree. [​IMG]

    Joshua
     
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    My thoughts exactly!

    Amen! [​IMG]
     

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