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  1. Iakobos

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    I was wondering if anyone had some objective feedback on the Baptist Theological Seminary at Richmond. I am enrolled to begin my studies in the Fall and I am really looking forward to it!
     
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    The grads I've known from there have been outstanding, and the faculty I've met at conferences are top notch. From what I've seen, you will get an excellent, ecumenical education there and will be well-prepared for practical ministry or graduate work.

    Joshua
     
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    Thanks for the input, Joshua. I am excited about beginning my studies in the Fall, and will undoubtedly use this board as a resource during my time at BTSR (as well as afterward ;) ).
     
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    James,
    What program are you entering at BTSR?
     
  5. Iakobos

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    M.Div. with a concentration in Christian Ed.
     
  6. All about Grace

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    If you are looking to attend an institution that will undermine the authority of God's Word, you have made a wise choice. Otherwise, we can only pray God will preserve you through the onslaught on your faith which you are about to endure.
     
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    James,

    The Christian Ed program is particularly strong, and also a good choice if you're planning on going on to a Ph.D.

    Joshua
     
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    Well, I knew I had placed the word "objective" in my original post for a reason.

    When I met with my pastor months ago and talked about my leading to pursue a ministry, he said that if I went to school, there would always be people that would judge me by what school name was on the degree. Thanks, SBCbyGRACE, for confirming that.

    I am relatively new to the Baptist faith (4 years - grew up Episcopal), but have a desire to seek God's will in my life and to serve Him and Him alone. I know very little about this political junk that has plagued the Baptists over the past few decades and which has caused much more trouble than good. Personally, I consider my ignorance in those affairs more of a blessing than a hinderance.

    Some of you can continue to be driven by political labels and feelings. Me, I'm going to school to help seek God's will in my life. There will be staff members and fellow students that I will agree with, and some that I won't agree with. Personally, I'd consider myself a moderate conservative, whatever that means to you.

    I will, however, seek guidance from the Holy Spirit before formulating my own opinions. Never will I form an opinion based on preconceived notions. To do so is not Christ-like.

    Now, SBCbyGRACE, if you would like to discuss specific concerns about my choice of school, I would be glad to listen to them. That is, after all, what I requested in the first place.

    One last thing: Maybe there was a lot more to my selecting BTSR than just who might provide funding for the school - think about that.

    In Christ's Love,
    James

    [ July 09, 2002, 06:36 PM: Message edited by: JamesB ]
     
  9. Speedpass

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    James, since you're from North Carolina, any reason you considered BTSR over schools like Campbell and Gardner-Webb?
     
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    James,
    Do not make the mistake of thinking that people who disagree with BTSR's theology (of whom I am one) are politicos. I don't think the problem is with the name of the school as you aluded. It is with the theology that will be taught there. Truthfully, I've not said much on this topic because the only experiences I've had with the school and its students have been negative. Even my more liberal friends have had negative experiences there. By your response to SBCGrace, it seems as though you weren't looking for objective feedback anyway (As if totally objective feedback is possible, which it isn't). Can you get a good education there? Sure, but you'll have to steer clear of the poor theology that you will be indoctrinated with. I wish you well.

    [ July 09, 2002, 07:52 PM: Message edited by: TomVols ]
     
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    Jimmy - financial and employment reasons made BTSR a logical choice. I live in the Raleigh area, and work in the tech industry. I have been downsized three times in two years, and have been unable to find permanent employment since my last layoff in February. My wife is originally from Virginia, and we will be living in what used to be her grandmother's house. As a result, salary requirements are much lower for us in Virginia than in NC. If it were up to our church, I'd be going to Campbell Divinity, about 30 minutes down the road. The decision to relocate was a very tough one, but I am thankful I have the opportunity to pursue my studies.

    TomVols - Thanks very much for the response. I was looking for objective feedback, not a blanket affirmation of my choice of school. If you would like to, I would be very interested in hearing your experiences involving BTSR. Feel free to respond or send me a private message. And I didn't mean to suggest that anyone who disapproves of BTSR is a "politico" (there are "politicos" in every "camp"). I was just very uncomfortable with SBCbyGRACE's response. Well, maybe not so much the response, but the spirit behind it.

    One more thing, TomVols: I have a feeling we'll have some other things we won't see eye-to-eye on, particularly on Sept. 21. ;)
     
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    I also want to point out that I mentioned I was raised Episcopal, and have been a Baptist only four years now. In 1998, when I joined my local church, I went through believer's baptism after publicly professing Christ as my Lord and Savior. So I am a "full-blooded" Baptist now. :D

    In Christ,
    James
     
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    I have only heard good things about BTSR's faculty, particularly about Cecil Sherman, who I think is now a visiting professor. I think you will get a wonderful education. Good luck to you and God's blessings on you as you follow your calling.
     
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    I went to the BTSR website... didn't see anything resembling a doctrinal statement. That would be one of the first things I would look for when choosing a seminary or Bible college. Also, as a Bible-believing conservative Baptist, their ties to the CBF would raise a MAJOR red flag.
     
  15. All about Grace

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    Nothing malicious intended with my original post. I am merely stating the facts. If you want to attend an institute that undermines the authority of the Bible BTSR is the institution for you. Call it political or call it a Baptist thing, but the bottom line is BTSR's faculty is at that institution for a purpose and reason. It would be wise to research the birth and intent of BTSR. The presence of Cecil Sherman, arguably the most outspoken and visible leader of the mod/lib/CBF movement, speaks volumes in itself.

    If that is the type of institution with which you are comfortable and the type which are seeking to receive your education, it will be a great school. But once again, I suggest that you prepare for an onslaught against historical Baptist beliefs.

    Some can go thru the fire and come out more refined in their faith. And others enter the flames and their faith melts.

    In the end, where you stand when you enter the flames will go a long ways in determining how the fire affects you.

    The Resurgence took place for a reason.
     
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    boris99, thanks for the link. That was indeed an interesting article.

    I will say that while I believe homosexuality is a sin, we are called to reach out to all people of the world. I would not turn away a homosexual from my church, but I would tell them every time the chance presented itself, in Christian love, that their lifestyle is scripturally wrong. And I believe it is wrong for a homosexual to hold any position within the church other than a member who is seeking God's forgiveness and love.

    And even though I believe women can serve in any aspect of ministry, I will never refer to God in a gender-neutral manner. He is my God. Period.

    Again, I appreciate the input, everyone. And if I ever encounter a situation like the gentleman described in the above link, I would reconsider my decision as well. That applies not just to my school, but to my local church or place of employment as well.
     
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    James, I'd be curious to see what your perspective is on these issues (particularly inclusive language) after seminary.

    Joshua
     
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    As with anything written by Baptist Press, I'd take that with a grain-make that a tablespoon, of salt.
    As for Cecil Sherman being suspect, I've read a number of his commentaries, and they all expressed a traditional, mainstream Christian theology and were wonderfully done.
     
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    Now THAT scares me. Since when does a BAPTIST ministerial student go to a BAPTIST seminary with a goal of receiving an ecumenical education?

    I likewise could not find a detailed doctrinal statement, which also scares me (I scare easily).
     

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