Building coalitions

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  1. Joseph_Botwinick

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    Kerry says he could build a stronger coalition than Bush to win the war on terror. But he calls the War in Iraq "the wrong war, in the wrong place, at the wrong time". He says the countries who are already with us are not a real coalition and discounts their sacrifice. He refuses to recognize the sacrifice of the Iraqi troops who are fighting and dying alongside American troops for their freedom. He calls the Iraqi government a puppet of the United States. Now, how exactly is he gonna get other countries on board and build a better coalition than Bush? Dear uncommitted country, please come help us fight the wrong war at the wrong place at the wrong time. Just remember, though, we will not recognize your sacrifice as legitimate. The Iraqis who are there are not on our side and I will not even recognize their sacrifice. The government which we are allied with, I have labeled a puppet of the United States. But, please come and fight for nothing. Is this the way John Kerry would build a coalition?

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    Senator Kerry would have no more success in bringing in the French, the Germans, and the Russians than President Bush did.
     
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    Moreover since he has said its the wrong war why should any country give support? The answer is they won't.
     
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    Even further,

    France and the UN would have never supported the war since they were benefitting from corrupt oil for food deals with Saddam. So much for Kerry's global test.

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    We know for a fact that Bush failed miserably to build a coalition of more than a few nations. Could Kerry do any worse—I highly doubt it. I believe that he could do much better, but we will never find out if we don’t give him a chance. We have already given Bush a chance, and he failed!

    Bush has single-handedly “disgraced the character and destroyed the influence” of the United States.

    And let’s not forget that this is a Christian message board and tell the truth. Having a sincere, heart-felt desire to build a strong, effective, coalition of very many nations does NOT in any was show a disrespect for the very few nations who have participated nor a disrespect for the men and women from these nations who have lost limb or life in support of their individual homelands.
     
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    Thirty (30) is a "few"????????

    Disgraced the Character of the US???

    And, just what was the character of the US after 8 years of Clinton?

    Destroyed the influence??? Influence of whom and to whom???

    Unless you are willing to truly denigrate the ethics and morals of your country and offer comparable bribes there was *nothing* *any* President could have done to influence the French, the Germans, and the Russians...

    And, since when are a few oh so easily corruptable government the only government that need to be influenced???

    And, what fool really wants to be friends and allies with nations that sell your sons downt he river for money???

    Open your eyes! Smell the coffee! Wake Up Man!
     
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    How much of a coalition is needed if our security is threatened? Do we need another country to say its OK if we take steps to defend ourselves?
     
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    After all he has said he might not get anybody.
     
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    kerry could do a lot worse...

    By not doing anything at all until we got nuked!

    Yea he said he might not get anybody... and that he wouldn't do anything without a consensus of nations....
     
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    The only way our nation's character will be "disgraced" in this matter is if we cut and run from what we started and if we tragically abandon Iraq at its very infancy thereby casting out the sacrifices made as having been in vain.

    We don't, and can't, make other nations join a coalition. It's their choice and they made it. It doesn't have anything to do with who was President. It has to do with what the people and governments of other nations think is important. Let 'em live with their choices! Let France be France. Let America be America.

    You show respect for those sent to fight by supporting the cause for which you send them. You don't do any soldier a favor by sending them to war and then telling them they're in the "wrong war"! Any Viet Nam war veteran, like me, will attest to that!

    We - the United States of America through our government that we elected that represents us - sent our troops to fight a war on our behalf. Now it's up to us to back them up with our complete support. That support doesn't mean cute yellow ribbons on the back of our cars while spewing out doubt and doom over the war itself.

    The mission is to win - victory - not withdrawal. The prize is continued liberty, justice, security, etc. and the price is, as required, the blood of those we send to fight.

    Yes, let's tell the truth as Christians should. Let's tell it loud and clear!


     
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    :rolleyes:
    Yes, I heard this on Glenn Beck.
    I heard this on Rush Limbaugh.
    I heard this on Sean Hannity.

    When was this said?
    When was this even implied?
     
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    When Edwards discussed the sacrifice of American Soldiers in comparison to the rest of our coalition, he leaves out the number of Iraqi soldiers killed to make it look like only Americans are dying. Shame on him.

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    Bush will not be able to prevent a nuke attack - neither will Kerry. The nukes are, in all likelihood, already here within our borders....waiting. The fox is already in the hen house - thanks to our lax immigration policies and porous borders - which you can blame on both Republicans and Democrats.

    http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/7/13/171536.shtml

    This could very well be why the US is not mentioned in the end-time prophecies - because we will no longer exist as a nation due to nuclear attacks. Hopefully, the Rapture will take place before then. But, if not, to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. I am not afraid, just disgusted with our elected leaders and their greed and disregard for the US Constitution. :mad:
     
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    The United States did not exist when the Bible was written. If a writer had written "United States" the readers would not have known what he was saying.
     
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    Neither did the 10 European nations - but they are included in Bible Prophecy. Neither did Russia or Germany - but they are included in Bible prophecy.
     
  16. KenH

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    Says you.

    But we already know where we both stand on dispensationalism. [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
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    Bush may not be able to prevent a nuke...

    But, at least he will be actively pursuing those that would make such an attack instead of sitting on his hands waiting for it to happen...
     
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    Yes, I heard this on Glenn Beck.
    I heard this on Rush Limbaugh.
    I heard this on Sean Hannity.
     
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    Are you sure about that?
    Before you respond, bear in mind what the 9/11 Commission said about Iraq.....
     
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    Far more sure given the current state of affairs as they now stand than trusting kerry to do so...

    BTW: We *still* don't know how deeply the clinton cronies buried the pre 9-11 before Bush took office...

    We know far more now because it was ferreted out after the fact, after the event...
     

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