Bummed out on the secular stage

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  1. Bro. Williams

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    Anyone else have a job that requires you to be committed to secular idealogy and practices even if you don't believe them?

    I have found the hardest thing for me as a teacher is buying in to all the socialist and modern phsychology themes ever present in my work place, not to mention the ongoing themes of modern culture, including the continuous flow of the flesh fest, the urging of pride, and the constant bombardment of these shildren being giving choices and freedoms of the world and for the world, while under our care.

    Understand, I thoroughly enjoy teaching. I hate the world.
     
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    Maybe you need to revisit your thinking. Just because something is not overtly Christian doesn't mean it is bad. Didn't God make the world and all that is in it? Sure there are things that are best avoided, but don't throw the proverbial baby out with the bath water. There is much to enjoy in God's big blue earth. Jesus himself went out into the world. We don't have a record of what he did prior to his ministry, but I can easily surmise that his life must have been typical of the society of which he was a part.

    If someone makes their living working at a drugstore, they are performing a needed service, even if their duties include selling cigarettes. If someone works at a bookstore, they likely will not agree with every book that they sell. Yet commerce is how we all get buy. Nobody makes any money until something is sold, and like it or not, we all need money in today's economy.

    I have never seen a "flesh fest" at a school, but teaching kids to take pride in doing a good job on their assignments is not a bad thing. The alternative is to not care what quality of work they produce. This is a necessary life skill.

    Freedom and choice are also good things. The job of parents and educators is to teach them to make good choices; choices that will be beneficial to them, rather than detrimental.

    Those are my two cents worth for your consideration.
     
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    My brother,

    I sympathize with your struggles. I work in a job where there is little to no focus on the Lord Jesus Christ. Granted mine is not as much of a difficulty as yours, but it bears the pull of the world.

    What you are describing reminded me of 1 John 1:15-16,

    "Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world."

    I rejoice in what you wrote because it says to me that the love of the Father is in you that you hate the things of the world.

    So,

    "If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God. Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth. For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God." Col 3:1-3

    On a practical note, I don't know what your commute is like, but I have an hour commute to work each way. I have found great blessing in listening to the Bible on CD. In one week I have listened to the Gospel of John, Acts, 1 & 2 Corinthians, and most of Romans! Praise God.
     
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  4. Bro. Williams

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    How long has it been since you were in a school?


    Is there a good reference to pride in the Bible?


    I am not against honour or integrity and doing your job to the fullest.

    Agreed. I believe that is a Biblical principle.
     
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    I appreciate the kind words and encouragement. One of the things that burdens my soul the most is my inability to be a strong witness in regards to point blank vocal terms. I can do such with faculty, but with the students it is a long, slow process of them discovering my stances.

    On the practical note, my commute is about the same. I thoroughly enjoy the Bible on CD, (especially the Scourby version I was able to buy from K. Hovind that is double speed) but I had to sell my Jeep on account of MPG, and the 4cyl I bought has only a tape player. I am getting much use of the many preaching and teaching sermons I have collected over the years though. I am going to look on Ebay right now for a tape version.
     
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    Brother, my heart goes out to you. You're doing the thing I've avoided (teaching) because I knew I couldn't take watching kids getting led down the wrong path. All I can say is be patient and stay true.
     
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    It was a path I chose early in life and have continued with thus far. The being "a silent witness" (or nearly silent... I have never been able to keep completely quite about our Lord) thing is not my way of doing things, but I do get the occassional reponse or question or oppurtunity that is worthwhile. Thank you for the encouragement, much prayer is needed for those children. They are daily fed lies and propaganda by some of the ungodliest bunch of individuals (they call themselves teachers and administrators) in one of the vilest cess pools and hellholes in this world. One voice crying in the wilderness....
     
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    Um...last week.


    Pride that is condemned is placing one's self above God. Pride can mean other things, not all of which are bad. Is a pride of lions (see your avatar) bad? Is pride in doing a good job?


    My comments are not meant to make you defensive, but seriously trying to give you some counsel that you requested.
     
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    I am glad your fighting that battle out there. It also encourges my wife and I to continue homeschooling. :)
     
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    Sir, I assure you I am not being defensive. There must be something about my tone (even on the internet, that makes people assume this, but I assure that I was just be blunt as usual).

    1) If those in the schools are lost, what else are they gratifying and promoting, other than their flesh?

    2) I asked if there was ever a time in the Bible where pride is a good thing. I do not think there is, but it was a serious question, which was avoided. I think I know what you mean in regards to pride, but it is such a word that should be avoided in light of God's take on the issue (per his word).

    3) I appreciate any counsel that is recieved, even if I disagree. :smilewinkgrin:
     
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    Well, I guess it was worth every penny you paid for it! :thumbs:
     
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    That is one of the most amusing and ironic things about me... I teach in public schools and homeschool my children.

    I will say this, as a Christian, I had already intended on homeschooling my children. After teaching in the public schools I am ever more adamant about it. Seeing the things teachers wear, the things they say, the conversations they have in front of students and with students, the culture of modern America itself, the things that are taught, the things that are taught by other students, the promotions of the school, the promotions of the text books, the promotion of the curriculum pushed, the depravity of 98% of teachers within a school, the depravity of 99.9% of administration in the school and in the Boards of Education, the inability of so many to teach, to care, to do their job, to intervene, to not promote their heathen lifestyle and beliefs, the mocking of Christians, the ridiculing of Christ and the Bible, the mockery of God, the disdain for morals, and I could go on. Teaching in a public school has pushed me farther towards homeschooling, and it continues to do so. If a Christian has any ability or capability to teach their children at home, they should do so if at possible. They should not succomb to the idea that they cannot teach as well as those in the public setting, most could do better (because, unlike the public teachers, they shouldn't be worrying about their affair, filing their nails, applying makeup, making passes at teen girls, making last minute lesson plans, worrying about tonights game, watching the latest movies released on DVD, getting dressed up for the pep rally, calling the teacher next door during class to see what they are going to order out, checking to see if the principal will be able to get your 4th cousin twice removed that special education job or not, gossiping about how inadequate your spouse is as a mate and companion, and this list could go on as well), not to mention the fact that most public colleges I have been to (including the esteemed private college I attended with the superb education college) are diploma mills.
     
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    The only scripture passage that I could think of concerned Solomon building the Temple (see 1 Kings 5-9). The detail in this account of the building process suggests that Solomon was "proud" to be able to do this for God.

    I do finish carpentry for my living. It is a source of great pride for me to be able to build a set of stairs for a client that is beautiful to look at, easy to walk on, with comfortable handrails, quiet treads, and newel posts with no play in them. That's what they are paying me for, and that's what I want to give them for their money. I'm "proud" to be able to exercise the gift that God gave me. I think that is a sense of pride that fits in scripture. Also, note my first signature.

    Tim Reynolds
     
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    Still, to my knowledge, the word pride is nothing to boast of. Honour, intergrity, hard work, ownership of work, etc., are all good qualities and promoted. Pride is a destroyer.

    You say Solomon was "proud", but that is not a Biblically accurate statement. Although it does fit what happened, for pride goeth before destruction and an haughty spirit before a fall. He just might have been proud...
     
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    My 2000 Malibu does not have a CD player either. You can actually buy an adapter from Radio Shack or even walmart so that you can listen to a CD player or even an ipod or MP3 in your car. They are relatively cheap as well.

    As to your frustrations... I'm sorry you are frustrated. I do not believe socialism nor even phsychology is neccessarily unbiblical, but it is not particularily enjoyable to work somewhere that goes against your convictions, and for that you have my sympathy.
     
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    I can sympathise with you, Bro. Williams. I was a teacher until 10 years ago. In the religious education lessons, the printed guideliones included the following (not quoted word-for-word, but the general idea is right):

    Abraham was a puzzled man. He needed to learn that he could be obedient to God without resorting to child sacrifice.

    The Crucifixion should not be taught to children under the age of 11, as it might frighten them.

    Jesus had to learn gradually what his mission was.

    There was much more of the same sort of thing.

    I told the head teacher (politely) that I could not possibly teach such things. He asked me what I could teach instead. I said, "Truths from the bible." I was quite surprised when he told me that was fine.

    However, the secular ideology behind state education in this country was more difficult for a Christian to contend with. Apart from anything else, it was not so easily recognisable as being unbiblical as was the case with the religious education materials.

    On a lighter note, when I first saw the thread title, I thought it was something to do with partial nudity in theatres, as "bum" in the UK is a slightly rude word for the buttocks :)

    May God help you in your work, Bro. Williams.
     
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    Thank you all for the prayers, that is what is needed most.
     
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    Sorry to hear about your view of public colleges. I attended two private colleges (one a Presbaterian college) and one public and I wouldn't have called any of them diploma mills. What colleges are you referring to. Also, it might very well be a function of your major if it was education.
     

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