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Bush indicted for perjury and obstruction

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by prophecynut, Aug 5, 2005.

  1. Daisy

    Daisy New Member

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    We haven't had a good Onion article in a while:

     
  2. poncho

    poncho Well-Known Member

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    Journalist Stands By His Story That Bush And Others Indicted But Retracts Story About Potential Firing Of Chicago Special Prosecutor
    Investigave reporter released story about the firing of U.S. Federal Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald by mistake over on line mix up with web master.

    August 8, 2005

    By Greg Szymanski

    The journalist who first broke the story about President Bush and others being indicted by the Chicago grand jury stands by his original account, but says a story he released Sunday about the potential firing of Special Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald was a mistake.

    “We apologize for the inaccuracy, however, we stand by our on the record source Tom Heneghen and our story reporting that the ‘true bill’ indictments have been voted out by the Chicago grand jury against a host of Bush administration officials and that Vice President Cheney, President Bush and Secretary of State Condaleeza Rice are aware that boxes of cash left the Phillipines right after 9/11,” said investigative journalist Tom Flocco, one of the first to break the indictment story.

    Flocco apologized to readers Monday for his in a statement released on his web site, which had been down for several days for technical reasons. Flocco added the story was inadvertently put on line due to a controversy with his web master over file transfers and other matters.

    “The rough working draft about the fired prosecutor should never have ben placed online and was in a batch of files transferred by the new webmaster and was posted by mistake,” said Flocco.

    The wide-range of indictments for perjury and obstruction of justice against Bush and other top administration officials, was first reported last week by Flocco, who claimed sources close to the grand jury investigation in Chicago told him indictments had been handed down but not released to the public due to the highly sensitive nature of the charges.

    Flocco reported last week that Fitzgerald's grand jury voted out "true bills" or federal criminal indictments against President Bush, Vice-President Cheney, Attorney General Alberto Gonzalez, former Attorney General John Ashcroft, former CIA Director George Tenet, Presidential Senior Advisor Karl Rove, Presidential Chief of Staff Andrew Card, Vice-Presidential Chief of Staff I. "Scooter" Libby, imprisoned New York Times reporter Judith Miller and Vice-Presidential Senior Advisor Mary Matalin.

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    At this point all I can do is shrug my shoulders and wait to see if this holds water. Guess we'll know soon enough. Seems like this would be to big of a story to pass under the mainstream radar.

    Daisy,

    If more people would take my advice and use reflectix instead of tin foil this kind of thing wouldn't happen so much. Doesn't make much sense to indict someone that doesn't exist. ;)
     
  3. prophecynut

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    Thanks Poncho for the update, keep us informed. What concerns me is the possible murder of Fitzgerald, this has happened to other prominent people who knew too much, like Vince Foster in the Clinton administration.
     
  4. Daisy

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    That looks like good technology - I'm ditching my tinfoil hat - which hasn't been working well lately - and switching to Reflectix!
     
  5. poncho

    poncho Well-Known Member

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    Legal Linguistics explained.

    It's not legally possible for the US Attorney's Office to "issue" "indictments" when referring to information that a grand jury has voted to "return" "indictments" on. Those "indictments" are "returned" by the grand jury, not the US Attorney.

    <snip>

    The only problem with Flocco's story is that he should have written, "...Patrick Fitzgerald's Chicago grand jury has returned perjury and obstruction of justice indictments..." Flocco's use of the word "issued" is not legally accurate within the FRCP.

    Lengthy Article Here
     
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    In late July, reports about the recent bomb scare in the subway under the congressional offices at the Dirksen Building—coincidently near where Fitzgerald was holding his grand jury hearings—raised questions as to whether government operatives were sending the zealous prosecutor a “warning message” that he was entering dangerous waters with his investigation.

    The bomb scare was reported to local police late Monday afternoon, July 18, causing the subway to be evacuated for approximately 45 minutes while bomb sniffing dogs and SWAT team members searched for what was reported to be “a suspicious package” left on one of the subway cars.

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  7. Magnetic Poles

    Magnetic Poles New Member

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    Seems I recall Vince Foster was a suicide. No evidence or charges of murder ever appeared.
     
  8. Scott J

    Scott J Active Member
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    MP, Vince Foster's death was ruled a suicide. If there was nothing more to it, the Clinton administration certainly did all it could to create doubt.

    His room was sealed off from the FBI. The Adminstration got directly involved in the jurisdiction dispute insuring that the Park Police and not the FBI investigated the death.

    The handling of the physical evidence at the scene was either inept (didn't find the bullet, no pictures/documentation of what should have been massive blood loss, irregular position of the gun with relation to his hands... especially his left hand) or else it was staged.

    It is also noteworthy that Foster was a very knowledgeable, unstable insider. He knew things about Bill but especially Hillary that possibly no one else knew.

    Two final points. One- If there was nothing to cover up, the administration should have immediately granted jurisdiction to the FBI and/or a special prosecutor to ensure that there wasn't even a hint of scandal.

    Two- If this had been a Republican president, the media outcry over the way it was handled would have been deafening. They just simply didn't want to know anything "bad" about Bill Clinton.
     
  9. Daisy

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    How do you know?

    How can anyone know that he knew things no one else did, if no one else did know?
     
  10. Daisy

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    Where do you get this, um, stuff from? Any citations?

    Snopes.com seems to give a reasonable debunking:
    Is it up to the administration to decide jurisdiction? Two special prosecutors did investigate (see above).

    The media gloried in "bad" Clinton scandals. Who are you kidding?

    Media coverage of the speculation was pretty heavy. Rush Limbaugh and his ilk not only speculated heavily but scoffed at the suicide ruling. Jerry Fallwell has sponsored video tapes on which the Clintons have been accused of "every evil act imaginable: murdering Vince Foster...", according to David Maraniss in The Clinton Enigma (Simon & Schuster, 1998).

    Richard Cohen wrote an article wondering why the story had been investigated so often:
    I'm not sure how you can maintain that this had been under-investigated.
     
  11. prophecynut

    prophecynut New Member

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    Do a search: Vince Foster murder
     
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    KenH Well-Known Member

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    One can search on the Internet and find just about anything one is searching for.
     
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