Bush Is Really A Nixonian Socialist

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  1. JGrubbs

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    The Ludwig von Mises Institute posted an interesting article today written by Murray Rothbard in 1971. The subject of Rothbard's article was Nixonian socialism. His article is not only interesting for its historical content but also the parallels between Nixon and President Bush. Bush unfortunately is more like Nixon than he is Reagan. Bush, like Nixon, has overseen a massive growth in government from new welfare entitlement programs to the creation of a new cabinet level office. He has not been a President who has favored smaller government at all, he doesn't even speak in these terms anymore. Bush has been a President of large government.

    I oppose corporate welfare. Part of the business cycle is allowing a business to die out without the aid of government. Why is this important? Corporations die for a reason, they are poorly managed, consumers are no longer interested in their products, perhaps prices are to high etc... It's important to allow these companies to die because if there is demand for whatever they're producing, a new corporation will come into being and provide the consumer with a better, cheaper option.

    The Bush administration doesn't want to allow the "major" airlines to die out. This despite the fact that they are poorly managed, terribly inefficient and are being out performed by cheaper "no-frills" airlines. The government has already bailed out United's pension fund while the other major airlines lick their chops in anticipation of requesting the same bailout. I say let United pay for their own pension fund and if they can't let them go out of business. I'm sure Southwest would be thrilled to rid themselves of competition with United and I'm certain that an abundance of new air carriers would come into being to take United's business. But the Bush administration doesn't do this, they bail United out despite the poorly managed failure that United has become. Why? Campaign donations no doubt. United is a certainty to donate money, new airlines are not.

    This is the biggest problem with corporate welfare (or mercantilism as it was once called). The goal isn't to better America, the goal is to keep the President, Senators and Congressman in office. Sure it's sold to us as good for America, but that doesn't make it so. Perhaps we would be better off without United or any of the other companies that receive welfare from the state. Perhaps we would get cheaper goods to go along with the lower taxes we would have if we didn't have corporate welfare. We simply don't know because powerful politicians do nothing but court corporate dollars in exchange for massive welfare.

    The same is true on the individual side. Politicians offer up a plethora of individual welfare benefits in exchange for votes. This goes from welfare for the welfare queen's to medicare for old folks to wasteful school spending for the middle class family. This is all done to keep our leaders in power and Bush has been pretty darn good at courting most of these welfare groups, save the welfare queen who's a consistent part of the Democratic Party. No matter how much the GOP salivates over the idea of getting the welfare queens to vote for them, the reality is that the Dems have them locked up, literally in some cases.

    President Bush has been exactly like Nixon in terms of creating massive welfare programs designed to keep him in power. Medicare was expanded by Nixon and further expanded by Bush via the Rx drug plan. Never mind the fact that these are incredibly wasteful programs and completely unnecessary, they keep Bush in office and that's all that counts. President Bush has greatly expanded the role of the Department of Education via his "no child left behind" plan. In theory his plan is good, the problem is that he threw money at it to the tune of over $16 billion. President Reagan wanted to eliminate the Department of Education, Bush has expanded it. Some conservative.

    The Republican Party has gone back to its roots as a tax and spend, mercantilist party. The party was founded on massive corporate welfare and massive spending on "internal improvements" back in the mid 1800's. The GOP as you will recall consisted of what was left of the Whig's. The Democrats were originally the party of small government, in fact they fought a war over it and lost. The Dems abandoned small government over a century ago. The GOP embraced the idea of smaller government with Reagan and to a lesser extent with Newt Gingrich and the 1994 GOP Revolution.

    After almost five years of President Bush it is clear that the Republicans have abandoned the idea of small government altogether. Bush has done nothing to decrease the size of government and in fact has increased its size. Bush and the GOP Congress hasn't done a single thing to make government smaller. They've eliminated no departments and they've done little more than consolidate some programs. During the last election Bush didn't even pretend to be for small government, he rarely mentioned such a thing. Instead he bragged about all the welfare he created. Some conservative.

    Source: The Open Diary
     
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    JG,

    We're definitely agreed on this. I like his foreign policy, I agree with him on Iraq, and the GWOT, but on domestic/economic/size of government issues I disagree with him big time. His "take the issue away from Democrats" on such as education and prescription drug benefits just means that he is trying to out-Democrat the Democrats. If I had wanted Democrat policies, I'd've voted Democrat! I do believe that he is pro-life and I agree with his position re taxes, but even Nixon said, "We're all Keynesians now."
     
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    There are three problems with spending by the Federal Government:
    1. Entitlements.
    2. Pork.
    3. The states will not function as a part of the Federal System, preferring to let Washington do it.

    As for entitlements, it should be understood that two generations have been raised with the idea that the government owes them perpetual care.

    Consider how little success Bush has had attempting to weave personal accounts into the Social Security system. Even some 3rd world countries have personalized their SS systems. I believe the city of Huston was allowed to opt out of SS and establish their own retirement system with great success.

    The sad truth is that we will continue down this same path on entitlements until the system is bankrupt.

    More later!
     
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    The authoritarian right wants to destroy the Bush presidency at all costs. They are anti-intellectual, have made an uninformed attack against Bush on the war that has endeared them to the left (as can be evidenced on this board), and they have assigned to Bush powers that he has not had to control the left wing of his own party and to control the Democrats.

    But what would happen if the authoritarian right took control? The common man would be left in the ditch because the far right is essentially modernists and does not care for anyone in the ditch. They do not even answer questions. Remember, they begrudged the starving in Sudan surplus food and a plastic tarp for shelter. If you like the ditch, support the far right. They would bring this country down with their attacks on Congress and the military and the White House.
     
  5. JGrubbs

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    Do you have any actuall comments that pertain to the thread, or is this just another of your many rants? [​IMG]
     
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    No, NetPub, just an expose of your motives and methods because the Constitution Party wants to bring Bush down at the cost of the truth.
     
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    You should take some time to read the post before launching your rants and attacks, because what is in the original post is the truth. [​IMG]
     
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    Your patronizing posts are tedious. I have read your stuff. It is boring. I told you that the Constitution Party has assigned powers to Bush to control the left that he has not had. With all due respect, NetPub, I think that the key to the Constitution Party is that they want to destroy anyone who has intellectual ofjections to their political ideology. I myself find the Constitution Party extremely authoritarian and very willing to destroy the nation in order to gain power.
     
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    I'm sorry I thought this was a thread about big government, not about the Constitution Party. I would love to discuss the issue of big government here, why don't you start an "I hate the Constitution Party" thread and post your rants there?
     
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    Trying once againt to get back to the topic of the thread...
     
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    Wait a minute!

    Welfare entitlement?

    WASHINGTON (AP) - President George W. Bush wants to stiffen work requirements for welfare recipients, spend more to encourage single mothers to get married and open the door to job training as Congress opens debate on what changes are needed to a landmark 1996 overhaul.

    Under current law, states are required to have 50 percent of their welfare populations engaged in a work activity for at least 30 hours a week. The Bush plan would increase the required hours per week from 30 to 40, and it would slowly increase the percentage of people who must be working to 70 percent by 2007.

    For the last five years, the 50 percent minimum has been almost meaningless because states have largely met the requirement by reducing the number of people on welfare at all, meaning it didn’t matter how many people were officially meeting the work requirement. The Bush plan would eliminate this caseload reduction credit.

    Bush would allow states to put recipients in education, training and other programs for up to two days a week, or 16 hours, administration officials said.


    Currently, the government keeps a portion of the money collected to pay overdue child support in cases of families that have received welfare. Bush would offer financial incentives to induce the states to give "as much of this money as possible" to mothers and children, especially mothers who have left welfare.




    Since when is requiring them to work and saying, stop playing with the numbers "entitlement"?
     
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    I agree with alot of what you said Jgrubb. However; I do think Bush would have gotten alot more done if he had some help from the republican house and senate. They're very disappointing. We voted to gain the majority and those little wimps won't push through what we want done.
    I like Bush's foreign policy. I do think he is a christian and tries to do what is right morally.Yet, I've never thought he was a true,blue all out conservative to the extent that he ran on. His pappy is a New World Order guy and I think Bush II has a little bit of that running through his veins. Except for a very few distinct issues the party lines continue to blur.
     
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    Single mothers getting food stamps isn't the only form of welfare, this article is about "corporate welfare (or mercantilism as it was once called)" and the other forms of "welfare" that Bush has been pushing, like the Rx drug plan which has made him the first Republican president to sign into law a new federal entitlement.

    Under Bush, Federal Spending Increases at Fastest Rate in 30 Years

    Since 2001, even with record low inflation, U.S. federal spending has increased by a massive 28.8% (19.7% in real dollars)—with non-defense discretionary growth of 35.7% (25.3% in real dollars)—the highest rate of federal government growth since the presidencies of Richard Nixon and Lyndon Johnson. This increase has resulted in the largest budget deficits in U.S. history, an estimated $520 billion in fiscal year 2004 alone.

    President George W. Bush is now on his way to becoming the first full-term president since John Quincy Adams (1825-1829) to not veto a single bill. The result is a congress that has been completely unconstrained in satiating its appetite for pork and corporate welfare.

    From the massive increases in agricultural subsidies in the farm bill of 2002, to the new Medicare prescription drug entitlement of 2003; from the 47% increase in the defense budget, to the 80% increase in education spending, George W. Bush has demonstrated that “limited government” is not part of his political vocabulary.

    Source: The Independent Institute
     
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    Bush has not dictated spending policy but has not been able to control it. Therefore, the charges against Bush--whatever their source--are false and are nothing but an oft-repeated rant.
     
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    Oh, who hates the little-hearted Constitution Party? Fear is a better word. One fears them because they are so cold-blooded in the name of Christ. Look at the false accusations against Bush that are the underlying theme of this thread. Bush does not have total command of his party or the Congress but that does not stop the name-calling (Nixon, socialist) or the false accusation that Bush has command. The premise of this thread is a lie of the left and the far right, in bed together and it is nasty.
     
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    He sends up a yearly budget where he proposes spending and we sure don't see him fighting to reduce the spending by Leviathan back to constitutional limits.
     
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    Oh, who hates the little-hearted Constitution Party? Fear is a better word. One fears them because they are so cold-blooded in the name of Christ. Look at the false accusations against Bush that are the underlying theme of this thread. Bush does not have total command of his party or the Congress but that does not stop the name-calling (Nixon, socialist) or the false accusation that Bush has command. The premise of this thread is a lie of the left and the far right, in bed together and it is nasty. </font>[/QUOTE]I think you are simply choosing to ignore the facts, I have not posted any lies on this thread, if I have, I would challenge you to find one.

    President Bush and his administration have requested and promoted much of the spending increases, including his perscription welfare plan. Bush does have the power to control the overspending of Congress, he chooses not to, and actually has requested increases more than he has discouraged them. As I posted before...

    President George W. Bush is now on his way to becoming the first full-term president since John Quincy Adams (1825-1829) to not veto a single bill. The result is a congress that has been completely unconstrained in satiating its appetite for pork and corporate welfare.

    Try to debate the facts and leave your hatred of other parties out of the discussion!
     
  18. church mouse guy

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    It is not hatred but fear of what the far right would do to the common man based upon how he is treated here.

    John Q. Adams was a great man and I cannot see anything wrong with him!

    To accuse President George W. Bush of being socialistic and to compare his service with that of Richard Nixon is low and another false accusation. False accusations are supposed to be immoral but evidently not in the lust for power, power, power and control, control, control.
     

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