Bush Says Harming Fetus Is Federal Crime

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  1. Johnv

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    From the AP:
    FYI - In the State of California, death of a post-viable fetus is already covered under existing homicide statutes.
     
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    Way to go President Bush! PTL!
     
  3. donnA

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    So when does harming one on purpose become a crime?
     
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    Kate, in CA, you can't terminate pregnancies once the 6th month has been reached. I think that's in line with national guidelines. However, the biggest thing I have a problem with is non-viability. If a woman in CA terminates her pregnancy electively at 5 months, it's allowable. However, if I abuse or kill the mother, and it results in the death of a 5 month old fetus, I can be charged with two counts of criminal activity. OTOH, if I do harm to a woman who's say, 2 weeks pregnant, and it results in a miscarriage, I will be charged with a crime against the mother, but not the fetus.

    [ April 25, 2003, 07:28 PM: Message edited by: Johnv ]
     
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    Johnv, well I guess the obvious thing to learn is, don't assault a woman. Of course not saying you would, just following your example.
     
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    [​IMG]
    The government is in power to enforce God's law, not make their own (Rom.13:1).
     
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    President Bush is waiting to sign the 'partial-abortion ban' bill into law as soon as the House and Senate both pass it. BTW, Clinton refused to sign it during his administration.

    It is a beginning! [​IMG]

    Blessings,
    Sue
     
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    President Bush is waiting to sign the 'partial-abortion ban' bill into law as soon as the House and Senate both pass it. BTW, Clinton refused to sign it during his administration.
    Just curious, is this the exact same bill that Clinton vetoed, or has it been modified? Not rehash the reasons that we've discussed elsewhere, I'm just curious, since I haven't really kept up with the current version of the bill.
     
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    The government is in power to enforce God's law, not make their own (Rom.13:1).

    Not quite true. When Jesus says "give Ceasar what is Ceasar's, and to God what is God's", he's making it clear that Ceasar's law, where it does not conflict with God's law, should be rendered, or followed, just the same. A good example is laws concerning speeding, vehicle registration, or parking in a "no parking" area are not God's law, but the Bible instructs us to obey them as well.
     
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    This is scary...I have to agree with George on this one...

    Re: Johnv "where it does not conflict with God's law", yep Acts 5:29 [​IMG]

    Pete
     
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    Of course [​IMG]
     
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    Lets see it's a fetus until it's viable, then it's a baby. Conception to viability= fetus,, viability o birth= human baby.
    So harming a 'fetus' is illegal.
    Isn't that the same stage it is leagl to murder one on purpose.
    I think someone needs to get some proper prespective on this.
     
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    Huh? It's a fetus until it's born. Viability has no bearting on what it's called. Here's the breakdown:

    Prior to fertilization, we have a sperm and an egg.

    Once the two join, the resulting single cell is called a zygote.

    The zygote begins to divide and travel down the fallopian tubes. Once there are about 32 cells, the developing baby is called a morula. The morula continues to divide, enter the uterus, and implant in the uterine wall.

    Once implantation in the uterine wall occurs, it is called an embryo. During the embryonic period, all the major organs and tissues form.

    Once these structures are completed forming, the developing baby is called a fetus. The end of the eighth week marks the beginning of the "fetal period" and the end of the "embryonic period". During the fetal period, structures continue to mature and specialize. The fetal period ends at birth, when all formation is complete, and the baby is ready to be born.

    Once a baby is born, it is called an infant.
     
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    What man has named any part of the process is not important. God considers the circumstance a work of His hand as the Scripture points out:

    1) The opening and closing of the womb is the work of God. Gen 29:31 I Sam 1:5-6
    2) The care of the child in the womb is a work of God. (time frames and limits are man's notions)
    Ps 71:6
    3) The process of birth and the controlling of it is a work of God. Ps 22:9

    For the Baptist the Word of God is the ONLY rule for faith and practice. I Tim 6:20

    Thanks ------Bart
     
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    Amen, Bart! [​IMG]

    In all my life, I've never heard of anyone going to a "zygote" or "fetus" shower. :rolleyes:
     
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    I wasn't attempting to trivialize the word "baby". I was responding to a comment, "...it's a fetus until it's viable, then it's a baby". The word "fetus" has nothing to do with viability.

    It took a bit of effort for me to cimpile the info and share it here. I don't appreciate the ridicule.
     
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    I appreciate your post John, I was about to ask you if you are a doctor it was so consise and informative.

    I didn't know this about President Bus prior to reading it here. I'm glad that laws are being made. He also recently signed a law (or bill, I'm not up on what Presidents sign) about child abduction. The little girl that was abducted in Utah was present for the signing. I'm glad that with things like the war and other foriegn affairs the president has taken the time to address important issues such as these.

    Furthermore, I think that someone said that government is to enforce God's law? When in history has that ever happened?

    editted because I had to answer the phone before I could edit earlier. ;)

    [ May 05, 2003, 05:27 PM: Message edited by: Wisdom Seeker ]
     
  18. Johnv

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    Many thanks. I'm no doctor, I just have a nack for being a Jeopardy contestant (yes, I've tried out for the show... no word as to a taping date, but will let you know... they always choose more contestants than they need). ;)
     
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    Where's the icon that jumps up and down and claps? Yes, please let me know if you are chosen, would love to see you on T.V., how exciting. ( I love that show anyway, makes me feel smart when I get the questions right ;) )
     
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    I wasn't ridiculing you.
     

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