Bush's court jester

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  1. JGrubbs

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    The man charged by President Bush with screening potential U.S. Supreme Court justice nominees believes the Constitution is a living document and that only the nine black-robed brethren have sufficient understanding of the document to explain to the people what it means.

    This should be an astonishing and disturbing revelation from Judge Alberto Gonzales, counsel to the president, for all those citizens who voted for Bush primarily because they thought his Supreme Court appointments would be remarkably different and better than his opponent's.

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    Just another indication that Bush can't be trusted. If we turn him out and replace with a Democrat perhaps the Republicans will finally catch on.

    Even though I'm a registered Democrat I've never voted for a democrat. This year a straight democratic ticket. Lets show them Republicans. Kerry will make things right.
     
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    I don't think I could live with myself if I voted for Kerry. Peroutka is getting my vote in November.
     
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    Peroutka has no chance. The Republicans won't get the message unless they're replaced. Voting for Kerry will assure that. Peroutka might not.
     
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    Isn't it interesting how many Democrats are on your side and agree with you? Wonder why?

    Probably for the same reason that I, as a Republican, was encouraging all Democrats in January to vote for Nader. Think about it.

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    Joseph,

    Did you read the article or just the posts to the thread? I don't see any Democrats on my side, I am voting for Peroutka, they are voting for Kerry. I encourage everyone to vote for who they believe is the best choice for our country. I quit compromising and voting for the "lesser of two evils" four years ago.

    Back to the topic, this judge that Bush nominated was the same judge that cast the tie-breaking vote in the Texas Supreme Court against a parental-consent requirement before a minor could obtain an abortion in the state. I don't understand why conservatives think Bush is going to do an about face and promote policies that are totally opposite of the policies that he has promoted during his first four years.
     
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    Yeah but if you vote for a candidate that has no real chance of collecting very many votes you might end up with Bush being re-elected. Can't get the Republicans to pay attention that way.
     
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    When the Democrats saw people vote for Nader in 2000, they moved the party to the left to try to "win back" those votes. If conservatives vote for Kerry, wouldn't it send a message to the GOP to move further to the left to try to "win back" those votes?

    I would rather conservatives vote for a real conservative candidate, if enough do the GOP will see where the conservative vote is going, and hopefully move in that direction.
     
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    I hope you're right, but I suspect you're not. I don't think Kerry will be much different than Bush. In fact, in some ways, Kerry is less liberal than Bush.

    Why vote for the lesser of two evils?

    Consider Peroutka.
     
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    When the Democrats saw people vote for Nader in 2000, they moved the party to the left to try to "win back" those votes. If conservatives vote for Kerry, wouldn't it send a message to the GOP to move further to the left to try to "win back" those votes? </font>[/QUOTE]The Democrats didn't win though.

    I would rather conservatives vote for a real conservative candidate, if enough do the GOP will see where the conservative vote is going, and hopefully move in that direction. [/QUOTE]

    This is the flaw, IMO, with the Peroutka supporters logic. Even if the GOP did do as they wish and go back to the right, they will lose, Peroutka will lose, and the second most liberal candidate who is a war criminal will win the election. John Kerry will be president and it will partially be Peroutka's fault. Where will that leave you as a conservative? Do you honestly think Kerry will listen to anything you have to say? If you want to send a message to the White House, you should do it at the local level by electing conservatives as governors, Congressmen, etc...

    But running a national campaign of revenge against Bush is not going to send a message. It is only going to further defeat your cause.

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    I hope you're right, but I suspect you're not. I don't think Kerry will be much different than Bush. In fact, in some ways, Kerry is less liberal than Bush.

    Why vote for the lesser of two evils?

    Consider Peroutka.
    </font>[/QUOTE]Peroutka isn't going to be a factor. Probably less than 1% of the vote. Not enough to raise eyebrows. You might as well forget about him. We realistically only have two choices. Either vote for Kerry or don't vote at all. Thats where the Republicans will be looking to see what happened.

    The important thing is to be rid of Bush. Lets face it. Kerry will most likely end up being the next president. But to get the message across completely we need to also turn Republicans out of congress. Then when their analysis is complete they'll know whats needed.

    Lets vote straight democratic and send them a message.
     
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    I would rather the GOP gain in Congress if Kerry wins to block Kerry and cause gridlock.

    As John Quincy Adams said:

    "Duty is ours; results are God’s"
     
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    No, you were more correct before. Its time for Bush and the Republicans to get the message. Its the only way they'll change.
     
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    It might after the Republicans are on the outside looking in.
     
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    Gridlock shouldn't be our goal. Besides it would leave the national debate kind of clouded.
     
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    If we continue to tear Bush down what we'll end up with is Kerry. The election is liable to be very close. If we splinter the conservative vote enough we lose.

    Is that what we want?

    Not me for sure.
     
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    You see, balfan, it really won't matter. It's just to see which wing of the demopublicans gets to reward their followers with goodies. The rest of us get taken.

    Bush is hopeless. He's in a very bad position, unless he catches Bin Laden, or there's another major terrorist attack on the US.

    But if a large number of people think for themselves, and vote for Peroutka, the GOP will understand that they can't do it as usual any more.
     
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    And we'll have Kerry for president. We will have really screwed up.
     
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    ballfan, why do you think that Bush is a better choice than Kerry?
     
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    That's what they told him to think. I wonder how, with gasoline over $2.00 a gallon, and the American taxpayers subsidizing 5 cent a gallon gasoline (our cost: $1.50 a gallon) for Iraqis, Bush attempting to cut the combat pay of our troops there, etc, I'm wondering what he thinks Kerry could do that would be a bigger insult to America.

    Barring anything dramatic, it looks like we will have Kerry for president. Whoopee.

    But you can send a message, by getting a big vote for Peroutka. It just might tell the GOP that they have to decide if they want to be the conservative party or the moderate/liberal party.

    And then, if they still don't listen, at least conservatives will know they're in the wrong place.
     

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