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One word in bold below would make your statement more precise in my opinion, which I think is exemplified by the whole of Scripture.

Nothing exists outside of God's knowledge or ultimate control......or God is not God. not one molecule exists or moves unless God has ordained it to be so.

True. Every effect has a cause whether seen or not. So what caused the effect of sin in Satan and Adam? Where did it originate?

 

:laugh: I have been answering that question.

So again, I start with Christ's universal principle concerning the integrity of a man. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit.

Adam was created good.
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit.
Adam sinned.

One conclusion: Adam was corrupted.

 

So Adam wasn't created good. Except that the bible says he was.

 

Corrupted by what/whom? Have you ever answered this? It's been asked several times in this thread?

 

Nope. Corrupted by what isn't the point. The point is that corruption preceded sin.

 

He was created good. He was not created incorruptible.

 

I agree, but what is the cause of his corruption? You said he was corrupted before he sinned. How is this possible? How can a person who is created good be corrupt before he sins?

 

Contrary to the cavils of Scandal, there is an answer. It's given in the form of a straightforward maxim in one of Paul's letters, and the narrative thereof is in Genesis.

But who or what corrupted Adam is not the issue at present. The issue is the obstinate refusal on the part of some to submit to the universal principles laid down by Christ.

Can a good tree bring forth evil fruit? Scandal et al say yes. Christ says no.

 

Jonathan,

 

I'm not trying to be difficult. I truly do not understand what you mean. I cannot wrap my head around it. You are going to have to help me out.

 

God HAD to allow for those two to commit sin, but He also would have already ordained the "final solution" to that problem that sin created, that was to be cured by the coming of the Messiah to die upon the Cross!
That was not a reaction to their sin, but a response to it,as greater would be the sure then the disease!

problem with Skan and others holding to his reasonng is much, if not all what they hold to ONLY works IF we had same will as Adam had, but NONE of us do since the Fall!